End in sight for toxic and corrosive "needs" based allocation system?
30/08/2010 7:51 am
"How thousands of council homes go to foreigners"
A classic DM article without doubt. What a soft touch basket case of a country we have become.
However how much of this is grandstanding. Local connection is used by many LAs. That does not get them around the law however. Will Shapps bite the bullet and reform the definition of statutory homelessness that the second and third worlders use all the time to get an allocation? The noises are right but without legal reform, they are precisely that and nothing will change on the ground...
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31/08/2010 11:10 am
If you are against immigration or the way immigration policy is conducted by all means fight for what you believe by posting on an (anti) immigration website.
Because once an immigrant is in our country LEGALLY he is not to be treated differently from anybody else in the same situation.
If the DM was a decent paper he would have put a question like this to his readership: "Should a homeless family of seven LEGALLY immigrated anbd accepted into this country given the same needs allocation priority as a homeless British family of seven?"
As a DM reader what would your answer be?
31/08/2010 12:55 pm
"Should a homeless family of seven LEGALLY immigrated anbd accepted into this country given the same needs allocation priority as a homeless British family of seven?"
The answer is yes.
The reality is very very few immigrant household are actually applying for social housing. they are however previlant in private rented and allowing buy to let to flourish.
Its hard enough for a native let alone an immigrant to wade through the homeless criteria, far easier to have a look in Gumtree and sort yourself out. HB is available and landlords want the tenants.
Hey Kass, I dont often agree with you and I must apologise for other other people who also disagree but dont seem to be able to be pleasant about it
31/08/2010 1:30 pm
Of course they shouldn't have the same rights as an indigenous resident.
That's the whole point of the policy and that's why it has the overwhelming support of the native British population who pay their taxes go to church and don't upset other people.
When I go to France, I speak French, celebrate all their culture and customs. I don't go there, speak English, arrive with a bunch of dependents in tow, demand benefits and apply to live in the houses of native Frogs.
31/08/2010 1:55 pm
So immigrants dont pay taxes dont go to church and upset other (ie white British) people?
I dont doubt it has the overwhelming support you claim, but the premises you decide to use are racist as well as errant.
Do you (Mr or Mrs Anonymous) have any figures to show that immigrants pay less taxes than white British people? Have any figures to show that a higher % of white British attend church than immigrants? That immigrants have a higher number of ASBOs or complaints made against them than White British?
To return to the question - the end is in sight? I think not. Local connection is part of allocation policies nationally and not just homeless legislation. The fact its in homeless legislation actually helps the indigent population have a priority over immigrants by local connection being applied - a simple yet bloody obvious point that those who rail against needs based approaches.
Changes to how local connection is prioritised in allocating properties is a real thorny issue. Allocation policies have to be written and interpreted and also have to accord with the law, whether that be 1996 Housing Act or lest we forget the Human Rights Act. To give actual priority to whte British people over non British is racist however you look at it and whether you agree with it as it discriminates against people on the grounds of race. Local councils will be in court every 5 minutes if they try and implement such a policy, and rightly so.
This is a non-runner
31/08/2010 1:56 pm
"the native British population who pay their taxes go to church and don't upset other people"
So that rules out most of the government, nearly all of the heads of industry, and a considerable portion of the workers.
Native - not me my grandparents were from all across Europe escaping persecution and death. And it is so with many other British people. Even Cliff Richard is not a native.
Tax payer - I am but that nice Mr Green who is going to tell us how to manage better isn't, along with most of the Tory funders.
Church goer - me again, but I fear I may be in a minority.
Don't upset others - I post of IH, need I say anymore!
31/08/2010 2:11 pm
"...When I go to France, I speak French, celebrate all their culture and customs. I don't go there, speak English, arrive with a bunch of dependents in tow, demand benefits and apply to live in the houses of native Frogs."
When you go to France you will find a bunch of French people who claim exactly like you. Their French counterparts also say that when they come to our fantastic and much loved and sceptred England they don't come here, to speak French, arrive with a bunch of dependents in tow, demand benefits and apply to live in the houses of native Anglos....
But you are talking about tourists, and this is not a tourism website.
Many immigrants are so keen for their children to do well in our country that they forbid them to speak nothing but English, worried they might otherwise be handicapped language-wise in their careers...
But yet again, this is not an immigration website to go in great details how complex is an immigrant situation.
31/08/2010 2:51 pm
Depends on the offence. Uk citizens abroad for some offences could be repatried just as well. Where is the difference?
31/08/2010 2:58 pm
The EHRC did some in-depth research on this last year (2009) in a report called "Social Housing Allocations and Immigrant Communities."
The research found:
Greater than 90% of social housing allocated is to UK born persons.
11% of foregin nationals live in social housing yet 17% of British people do.
It also states "New migrants to the UK over the last five years make up less than 2% of the total of those in social housing" As the last 5 years would include the period from 2004 then this includes the A8 nationals from Poland et al.
Interestingly there are more Germans in the UK than Bangladeshis, Jamaicans, Nigerians, Kenyans, and almost 3 times the number of Somalians (ILAG's favourite) Ghanians, and 5 times the number of Ugandans and Afghanis.
There are more Americans in the UK than any African country with the exception of South Africa.
So the less than 10 per cent of non UK born persons getting social housing will include Germans, Americans, South Africanss and of course not forgetting Irish, Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders... and French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and a few other white peoples.