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Tenant cashback

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27/01/2012 9:47 am

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Tom Lloyd

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27/01/2012 3:04 pm

At the risk of starting to talk to myself in the forums (not that anyone on this site would ever do that), I've just had quite a timely press release through from Six Town Housing about some work they are doing to teach tenants how to do basic DIY jobs. I'll do a story on it shortly, but thought it was worth mentioning here as well. Maybe if tenants were trained to do basic repairs that would get round some of the concerns about quality associated with the tenant cashback idea.

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Derren Cooper

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28/01/2012 2:45 am

I seem to recall that both Islington Council and Notting Hill HA were trialling these schemes some years back, it will be interesting to hear what their experience was.

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Jess McCabe

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30/01/2012 1:32 pm

Derren - I'm not sure about those examples, it might have been a similar but different scheme?

But you might be interested in this feature about the most recent pilots: http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/repairs/repairs-revolution-or-diy-disaster/6520103.article

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Derren Cooper

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30/01/2012 5:05 pm

Yeah, I didn't mean these particular schemes, I meant similar concepts :)

I'm not sure which, but I recall one of them was featurerd as an innovative scheme to allow tenants to save money on repairs, as well as save money towards house purchases.   can't remember the name of the scheme though.

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Jess McCabe

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31/01/2012 12:55 pm

Hi Derren,

Yep, I have heard this too! It rather predates my knowledge of social housing, I'm afraid, but Kevin Lowry mentioned the right to repair in his comment piece, which seems to be a relatively similar idea... http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/repairs/power-to-the-people?/6520157.article

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Tom Lloyd

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31/01/2012 2:31 pm

We're going to hold a live debate on this tomorrow morning (Wednesday) at 10.15. The two authors of our head to head opinion piece, Bromford's Darrin Gamble and Kevin Lowry, from Northumberland, will be discussing the pros and cons of tenant cashback and answering your questions on the subject. You can post your questions for them on here now, or sign in at 10.15 tomorrow to debate the issues live.

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Derren Cooper

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31/01/2012 7:04 pm

Question1.  How can we ensure this will not be open to abuse?  My first thought is that some tenants will be "willing" to make a number of minor repairs on a regular basis that could add to the cost.

Question2.  How will this affect such services as Caretaking and Grounds Maintenance, the charges for these have been depooled by many councils and HAs.

Question3.  What about repairs to common areas?

Question4.  Can anyone else think of anything else?  :)

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Kevin Lowry

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01/02/2012 9:54 am

Hi Derren

I have the same questions. I am not sure that the pilots that I have read about are answering them. They are throwing up other isues such as insuring those tenants who participate and protecting the value of the asset.

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Jess McCabe

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01/02/2012 10:04 am

A great start to the questions, Derren :)

I'll also be posting some of the questions and comments people have raised on Twitter too!

  1. Jan Taranczuk, who is one of the candidates for VP of the Chartered Institute of Housing, and tweets as jantaran, has a question about how much tenants could earn in cashback through the scheme. Apparently Grant Shapps has previously raised a figure of £1,000? Is this still the case? https://twitter.com/#!/Jantaran/status/163960928398876672
  2. On the same subject, Home Group (one of the other associations running a pilot, along with Bromford), said they have 160 tenants signed up, and they're benefitting to the tune of £400/year. (https://twitter.com/#!/wearehomegroup/status/163966099002638336)
  3. Joe Chambers, who is CEO of Soho Housing, tweeted his concern about whether social landlords will really be able to make savings through getting tenants to carry out their own repairs. https://twitter.com/#!/JoeChambers7/status/164051818492596225 He says: "No savings if the repair is inspected before and after-Disputes about quality-lots of small payments-inefficient ineffective" Any thoughts on this?
  4. Lara Oyedele, CEO of Odu-Dua Housing Association, is similarly sceptical. "Am all for choice. But not just for the sake of it. This is a distraction from real issues - money, more homes etc." (https://twitter.com/#!/LaraOyedele/status/164279313728942080)

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Darrin Gamble

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Location: Wolverhampton
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01/02/2012 10:13 am

Hi Derren

you are thinking of the right to repair which didnt work as it was long winded, bureacratic process. We have 83 customers signed up to our pilot so far which proves it is already much more popular than the RTR.

abuse - we will be carrying out 6 mlonthly checks to ensure that the repairs that customers are signed up to do, have been done.

caretaking/communals - not part of our scheme at present, but maybe one for the future

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Jess McCabe

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01/02/2012 10:13 am

Oh, and more of a positive example! The environmental team at Lush (the cosmestics shop) tweeted in support of the idea, (https://twitter.com/#!/GreenTeamatLush/status/163921497411432448), and gave an example of how a similar arrangement has worked for them:

"this is brilliant! Our landlord bought gravel for our garden and liner and we put it down ourselves- win win!"

Is this a concept that has worked well for some people in the private sector?

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Andy Johnson

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Location: Wolverhampton
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01/02/2012 10:21 am

Morning all. Andy Johnson; Project Manager for Bromford Living's Home Rewards Club.

In reply to some of the Twitter questions;

1. The £1000 including costs not just for day-to-day but for Planned/Cyclical/Gas - so not likely to be the figures for most trialling Tenant Cashback

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Andy Johnson

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01/02/2012 10:22 am

2. Bromford offer a reward package of £500 in total; £300 for the repairs element and £200 for a housing option that we are offering our customers (to deal with low level Housing options and not to fall into arrears)

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Darrin Gamble

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01/02/2012 10:25 am

with regard to Joe Chambers post about savings - that is one of the big questions that our pilot will test out. we are being as lean as we can to keep our costs to a minimum - but to pay for it we do need to see a reduction in our day to day maintenance costs

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Darrin Gamble

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01/02/2012 10:31 am

Where could we go with this in the future? 

In my life I like choice, our customers are just the same, I would hope that this could lead to a menu of services that customers can opt in or out of depending on their skills - so they purchase a service package based on their individual needs - not just repairs, but housing management as well....

what do you reckon?

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Kevin Lowry

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01/02/2012 10:34 am

Like Joe I have reservations to the real savings issue. Will pilot reports include all of the costs such as the 6 month home checks that Darrin referred to? It is interesting how different the Bromford scheme is to the Home group and Together group schemes. It will make the anaylsis a more complax and we won't be able to make direct comparisons so what will be the evidence base that the schemes work and are worthwhile?

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Kevin Lowry

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01/02/2012 10:36 am

Darrin

Like you I like choice. Do you think the menu of options will lead to variable tenancy agreements to reflect the chosen menu and flexible rents related to the services purchased?

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Darrin Gamble

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Location: Wolverhampton
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01/02/2012 10:37 am

Hi Kevin,

we will report all of our costs involved in administering the scheme - it is vital for us to know these in detail so we can be sure we have got the rewards package right and in particular the value £ of the reward to customers.

each scheme and costs will be individual to each organisation, but there will be themes that everyone can learn from.

we want to learn and to share

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Darrin Gamble

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01/02/2012 10:39 am

Hi Kevin

Re: choice - I would hope we could achieve this, but with flexibility for customers to opt in or out as their circumstances may change -  but we may need some help from the government around rent regulation

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Tom Lloyd

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01/02/2012 10:41 am

How do costs work in terms of materials and equipment? Presumably a professional contractor would get better rates on materials than someone who just pops down to their local DIY store, as well as having all the tools they need to start off with. Could this potentially undermine any savings?

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