02/02/2012 10:14 am
Location: Macclesfield CHESHIRE
People have different views about welfare reform, benefits and how people live on benefits. I cite the following case below and ask what typical level of benefit (exclusive of housing costs) SHOULD exist for ….
gas (heating/hot water)
other expenses (transport, insurance, communications, etc.)
a) someone (say, of my age -- that’s 61 in July), single and who is disabled
b) someone single not disabled
c) per child of a single parent family
d) per child of a 2 parent family.
REAL LIFE CASE ….
Working age disabled person allocated £40-53 to live on for a week including costs of :
gas (heating/hot water)
transport to and from doctors (twice)
Transport to and from hospital (twice),
NOT EXACTLY A KING’S RANSOM or even generous is it?
THE GAS EXPENDITURE WAS REDUCED TO ZERO, A GENUINE CASE OF HEAT OR EAT! And it’s sub-zero temperatures here in leafy Cheshire.
Yet the local MP got the lion’s share of £200,000 for HIS expenses last year.
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05/02/2012 3:06 pm
So one is to take it that the above example is on full HB then and also full CT benefit?
Down here in the south I can give you the rough figures:
Gas - On a meter so depends anywhere between £10 - £15 thats for cooking and heating as well
Electricity - £10 per week
Food - £30
Transport - Freedom pass, paid for by the local authority, in effective the council tax payers of the borough.
Water £4 per week
TV Licence - In my view not appropriate, a luxury.
As with all things its about living within your means Rick. I'm normally an advocate of yours. admire your writtings on a lot of of things, but the benefit cap is something I am passionate on and believe it is long over due. Life on benefits shouldnt be comfortable, it should sustain the claimant but not provide them any luxury such as Sky TV, Alcohol, smoking etc.
05/02/2012 8:50 pm
Anonymous 3:06 £145 a year BBc licence is, in practice, compulsory. Because you haveto pay it even if you do not have it. I tried not several time to enquire how not to pay it but they told me quite clearly that even if you do not own a tv set but you have a computer or a radio you are liable to pay it or you can be prosecuted... As I have a computer I've got to pay it... I would be very helpful if you have a compouter and are not paying the tv licence if you could let me know how have you managed to do so legally... By the way, the billionnares pay exactly £145 per year as would anyone with no income whatsoever... may you call that equality?
06/02/2012 7:46 am
You'll find the law applies to a device that draws power from the mains to make it operate, ie if its powered by a battery then you dont need a TV licence.
You want to talk equality? How is a family on benefits alone living rent free at the expense of the UK tax payer in a 3 bedroom house fair when you compare it to the thousands of us struggling to get on the property ladder, having to pay rent for a 2 bedroom flat when we need a 3 bed house, do we get any assistance because we have decided to progress our lives, do well and generally through no fault of our own are priced out of the housing market? While the likes of the benefit family get to stay in their 3 bedroom property for life safe in the knowledge they never have to move on? Equality indeed.
My arguement is and always shall remain that unless it sustains you in your day to day living, through the basic needs of man then you shouldnt have it if you are on benefits. Water,food, shelter and heat anything else is a luxury, your 24 cans of beer a week, your 60-100 cigarettes per week or Sky subscription, these are not there to sustain you, they are luxury items.
06/02/2012 10:08 am
The comment about battery operated devices is partly correct.
06/02/2012 10:45 am
Anony 7:46, so governement after governement have done nothing to help people like you and you take it out on those who are worse off than you?... You have fallen line hook and sinker right inthe politician trap, my friend, of divide and rule... You'll find out that if you target those at thetop who with a single day of their life swipe out from the state the whole budget of years of the whole combined benefit system put together you might get better results... It is typical of bullies to attack those at the bottom than at the top
06/02/2012 11:05 am
The bbc licence fee is a big drench on tenants on benefits or low income. But if the bbc is a public service as they say they are then it should be priced accordingly. One tax for all is just not fair, surely billionnaires should pay more and income less people less when dealing with a public service... The fee should be something like £300 for the rich and £40 for the poor. I have nothing against the BBC but if they go on with their one-fee for all, I am afraid people will rebel as it being unjust and they will support calls for its privatisasion, which is not what I really want.
06/02/2012 1:56 pm
It is NOT the "BBC" licence fee. It is set by the Government; Department of Culture, Media & Sport. This is because the Government is obligated to provide a rounded public broadcast televisual service not bound, affected or led by advertising. This is why there is a certain amount of programming set aside for religion, children, education, science, general entertainment etc. It has always been the same - I am tired of comments ranting about the BBC ripping people off - the BBC can only bid for money - the Government holds the purse and always has done.
Also, the comment about battery powered devices is utterly wrong - you DO need a licence for receiving broadcasts on a battery powered device. Only i-player type watching is licence free but then again, you need to be very careful with what you watch this on. It is a little complex but spouting off rumours about not having to pay can lead some people into muddy waters.
06/02/2012 3:57 pm
I am NOT attacking the BBC people, I am attacking the governemnt(s). When people say BBC licence, like I do, most of the time mean exactly what you say, the governemnt fixing it, and not the BBC staff fixing it... You might be tired of rants about £146 as a fee for all, but this is not different than a poll-tax where rich and poor pay exactly the same. So do not be too surprised that people will never stop complaining about it until this poll tax for viewing it's got rid of... Especially now that people watch more and more digitals media and less and less BBC programmes... The only way of not paying this evil BBC tax is to tell the Tv Licensing you do not watch television programmes from any source and if you do that you are legally safe from prosecution... HOWEVER if you stop paying the licent TV LICENSING will haunt you to death anyway with threatening letters and visits and vans coming round anyway whther you watch TV or not... they harass you so much that you feel worthwhile paying the licence even if you never watch television. I haven't watched televsion for years - and they have made a nice little earner off me.
06/02/2012 5:12 pm
In reply to the post at 7:46am, it's rare for families on HB to get into 3 bed properties compared to single or double bed properties, and most often than not they will be in need of larger properties and have to make do with what they get.
There is a case for people who have been in council housing for some time and have had family members move away, thus freeing up space, sometimes it means that families now "fit" into their properties, sometimes you get underoccupation (which is a separate issue being dealt with).
We need to get away from lumping all benefit claimants together with a miniscule few because it means punishing people who are innocently caught up.