Board member pay
Posted in: Need to Know | Focus
05/02/2012 8:41 pm
This week we're taking a look at the subject of board member pay. Does remuneration produce better and more committed leaders, or does a voluntary arrangement give better results? You can see both sides of the story at http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/focus, and we'll be holding a live debate here later in the week.
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05/02/2012 8:57 pm
Better results can only come with the democratic election of board members, without so called boards made up of friends or nodding horses tenants... If on top of that you pay them they will be even more friendly and the nodding hourses syndrome will be even more accelerated.
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06/02/2012 10:32 am
Anon : Do you mean that all Board Members should be elected, or a proportion? Also, I think I know what you mean about 'nodding horses' but could you expand a bit? If your experience is that Board Mmebers simply accept what the mamagement team want without debate then I cam see the justification for a sceptical view. If they debate the points fully and end up agreeing that's a different thing.
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07/02/2012 1:32 am
Well, SteveGough what his your experience in this?... I have been a tenant for 30 years and I NEVER come across a situation in my HA where a board member has been democratically elected by other tenants. They have seemingly been opted on the basis that "they could work with the board." Which means they had either to agree to whatever the so-called board said or would be left out in to cold and made to resign. this has engendered a culture where tenants have come to believe that the best way to get something out of their landlord is be nodding horses and nodding dogs, ei, never complain or challenge anything. this in turn means that things will never change and things will be run as they have always been run and if you dare to say anything different you are just a troublemaker who cannot work with the board.
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07/02/2012 2:48 pm
Board Members are recruited in a number of ways.
Some are directly recruited. They need to apply and meet the recruitment criteria, attend for interview, even pass tests, before being accepted following such a competitive exercise.
Some are directly elected. They need to apply and meet the recruitment criteria (which may be more tenant centered and less business centered than the directly recruited members, although equally they can be the same), attend for interview, and in the instance that there are more qualifying than there are positions, either face election or another round of interview.
Some are appointed as political representatives from the local council, or as corporate representatvies from a parent body.
Some are co-opted to offer the Board expertise that they would otherwise lack.
All should be accountable however, and tenants should know who is on the Board through which method, what their roles are, and how they may be contacted.
Board Members should definately recieve expenses back, but as for direct payment that is for the corporate body to decide. The 'shareholders' - that is the tenants - should be the greater proportino of the corporate body in such a decision.
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07/02/2012 5:59 pm
Anon : Since you ask my experience in housing started as a member of a self help housing co-op so my bias will always be for people to have an active say in how their housing is run. As it was student based I couldn't stay forever and ended up in the same city but working in housing for the next 20 years for various landlords.
I became a board member when the university where I taught CIH Housing Professional courses received a letter asking if anyone would like to apply.
As F451 says theree are numerous ways in which tenants can end up on Boards, but I think you are being very harsh in your condemnation of board members. Of course my complete ignorance of your HA's set up probably helps!
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10/03/2012 8:41 am
i have just resigned as a customer board member of my H/A, the actual position was ok but things changed so much from when it was first advertised as a new concept i found i had problems with my own personall morals , i took the position as non paid and then arfter several goal post changes i found i wouldnt really be involved with tenants ,ide just be decideing on H/A policies ,thats not me ime a foot soldier in the tenant world , unfortunatly i did find going from a forum to a board ,my so called friends all turned on me because there egotistic way got hurt when they didnt get a position , still you soon learn who is an involved tenant and who is there really for there own gratification ,there own ego and how much they can rip there H/A{but really the tenants } of , the concept of a non paid board is 1 of the best things ive seen come into the social houseing market , but the top boys wouldnt except a non paid member so i choose to mleave ,no ill feeling ,no disgruntled blow the whistle feelings
just a plain ,"I am a foot soldier and i prfer to be where i fit and can do best , ON THE FROMNT LINE ,,, so to all you people within our H/A froums ,,that tried to blacken my name , 2THE POSITION IS NOW OPEN " but i hope and pray that you lot from the old boy net work never get picked because it will be the end of good old tenant participation and become a board of egotistic ,selfish ,money and credit grabbing biggots ,,, then we will have a collapse of tenant involvement and tenant gorvernance
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10/03/2012 9:20 am
i would like to add to my statement above as this is a topic about pay or no pay ,,i joined as anon paid memeber ,but a board higher up than ours decided we had to take pay if we acepted chair/vice or portfolios to work on and my moralls kept saying inside me ," i got into tenant involvement because i wanted to help promote my H/A, my fellow tennants and anyone else that wanted to get involved as a non paid volenteer , there was several who applied just cause they thought they would earn from it ie- payment,ego credit ,little perks that other tenants may have to wait for ,,, i am PROUD that these were not my reasons but sad that the goal posts moved so far i couldnt perform to my best , luckily for my fellow tenants the members left on my board are the perfect mix , but when they advertise my ex posittion i am worried that a lot of the nasty back stabbers will get a position on the board therefore undoing the work my H/A has done and destroying the good nature of those still left on the customer board i was part of
DONT LET THEM DESTROY YOU FOLKS , ,YOU ARE THE FIRST LINE OF TENANT PROTECTION
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10/03/2012 3:35 pm
Simon like I was to to become a Customer Board Member and that what I saw people they for own ego's and want to rub shoulders with the hierarchy wasn't they for Tenants
Also I noted that the Resident Group and Group Board loyal was to the Association, Mangement and no one checking this fact figures and also sitting on Stage Three Hearing Local Area Group has Chairs and Vice Chairs and none have been democratically elected by other tenants.
So cannot turn to TSA they and the Government Eroding our Rights
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10/03/2012 4:00 pm
Simon I hope the old boy's network will never be picked because it is the end of Tenant Involvement the board our self and money making bigots
Yes we all know that want Tenant Involvement to collapse unless you are a Nodding Dog, Horse
Well up from the ashes the Phoenix will rise of Tenant Independant Group liken to Tower Hamlet Federation
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10/03/2012 4:30 pm
i believe customer boards if put in place as they are originally concieved are a great concept but with mine i started on a football pitch and closed my eyes for a second and when i opened them it had become a rugby field
i think its up to the individual as to the payment issue ,it wasnt what i joined for and on top of goal post changes i decided it wasnt for me ,,
ime a active involved tenant foot soldier i create ideas to improve tenants lifes ,i act on them and i get a buzz out of seeing tenants get what they need and are entitled to out of mine and my forums actions ,this is the life i choose to be in and enjoy ,
i also respect those who can sit at a table and decide things to improve a tenants lot , the people left on my board are all 100% capable of doing that ,, the fear is now ive left all the ego heads will try to get my place and destroy the people left bit by bit to turn it back to old boy net working ,and even if the H/a isnt happy to go along with it they will have to just to tick goverment boxes
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10/03/2012 4:55 pm
Yes Simon they want to be box tickers for the government and sell they souls that they problem. We have no other way of gettng involved. We have no way of contacting the Board or its Customer Chair's or Vice Chair's and Minutes of Meeting not pubished and we cannot the Involvement Manager to adhere
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10/03/2012 5:03 pm
coleman i feel for you ,i am lucky that the county i am in is made up of people who wont allow that to happen to us , amenable compliant tenant ime not ,
ime willing to agree to try any progress that anyone wants to but what i wont let happen in my world, if i can stop it ,is a bunch of bullies no matter if they are a H/A, ,an ego head or an outside influence , take me and fellow tenants for a ride that has no basis of truth ,honesty or progresion contained within it ,, just there own personal gratification ,,
thats a ride i would never sign up for
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