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Can Housing Ass' really not help more after bugular and Arson ?
27/06/2011 2:49 pm
To cut a long story short my neighbours of now 4 years are always playing loud music, littering my garden grafity on gates & walls.
However last year the middle son broke into my shed and stole my daughters bike Twice ( he was cautioned after being caught red handed).
He then within a few days burnt the shed down out of spite.
Initially the housing ass said they would do nothing and it was all down to my insurnace company, but after invloving local councillor they repairded the shed and bricked up the window ( because it was worth there time to repair glass as neibours would just nreak it again).
Well after bragging on facebook middle boy was arrested for arson and is on an court order and being delt with by Catch 22 ( rehabiliation people) however my shed has been broken into gain !!!
But this time i didn't catch him red handed and he hasn't yet bragged on facebook.
The police cannot act, as they need proof, and housing asosiation will not do anything, i have begged and pleaded written to CEO but they will not help.
What am i supposed to do ? Should i just wait for the next break in ?
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28/06/2011 8:19 am
Why or what did the housing association say their reasons were for doing nothing?
Also be careful, the Housing association can claim that by just having your Housing Officer speak to the police they are already doing something, which would cover them up nicely for doing nothing and blame you for saying they are doing nothing when they are already doing something (ie speaking to the police).
28/06/2011 8:48 am
Yes i should have made it clearer, they did speak to the police or rather i asked the police to speak to them, however they did not follow the advice of the crime prevention officer.
I was made promises of help by one member of staff, they then decided not to help because it would mean they would then have to help everyone ?
28/06/2011 2:06 pm
To make things really really clear, they have been proven guilty of the Arson and two of the three burgularies.
I would love to move but housing ass will not help as my life has not been threatened.
The police say that housing should help as they have a duty of care but housing say they cannot act without evidence despite the proof regarding the bugulary and arson ? and that the police should deal with it.
28/06/2011 2:09 pm
Anonymous you are so ashamed of your own comment you cannot put your name to it
28/06/2011 2:17 pm
The Police say your landlord has duty of care? Ask the Police to clarify exactly where this 'duty of care' exists in legislation as in my view there is NO duty of care.
The events you describe are criminal acts and not the responsibility of your landlord, they are the responsibility of the Police.
The Police cannot act as they need proof yet you say the neighbour has been found guilty?????
Each successive comment contradicts the previous one and more and more information (conflicting information) comes out each time
28/06/2011 3:10 pm
And i'm sure FW tenant is your real name. dont be so daft. this is an internet forum - one of the main perks is anonimity.
thank you other anon or pointing out the already obvious glaring contradictions.
if it is a criminal matter it is for the police to deal with, not your landlord - your landlord has no powers of arrest or to charge your neighbours with a crime. my advice is to actually complain to the IPCO for the lack of action taken by the police - if they have "proven" him guilty, as in convicted him in court this should have included a prison sentence (suspended perhaps) your landlord could then take eviction proceedings based on this as a breach of tenancy - ONLY if he was convicted in court! being "charged" and released if there was insufficient evidence means nothing.
If you would "love to move" why dont you do so of your own accord? why should your landlord "help" you move? register with homeswapper, mutual exchanges or go into private rented property. do something to improve your own situation rather than moan that it isnt done for you.
28/06/2011 3:34 pm
AS you need this spelt out in really simple terms, he is 16 and was given a final warning for bugulary and given an order ( not sure which one ) he went to court. but catch 22 were working with him to rehabilate him and his alcoholic family ( 6 of them in 2 bed flat). So now he has a case worker and got to cut down a shub in his back garden as punishment.
I am on homeswapper, looking for a mutual exchange but not many people are intersted when they see what i live next to.
Private rented is expensive i live in the south east if i could afford private rent i could afford to buy and would not be trapped.
really what planet do you live on all i wanted was some honest expert advice regarding long term on going ASB from neighbours which thanks to lack of response from housing and poilce taught them they can do what they like and get away with it.
Also if you take care to read i said that the housing assosiation would not act without proof the police had the proof and did their bit then housing did nothing not even charge the culprits for the damage they caused to HA property.
Nothing i have said contradits anything i have said, maybe you would like to live next to these people for while and see what life is really like - visit the real world
29/06/2011 11:06 am
I do visit the real world. i solve my own problems rather than complain that someone else wont do them for me - that is the real world, welcome to it.
move somewhere you CAN afford to rent - simple really. oh but wait, let me guess, living in the SE is more importantnt to you than gettign away from the "hell" of the "nightmare family next door" and protecting your family. get your priorities right.
you ask for advice on an internet forum? complain to the police that they are taking insufficient action - crime is a criminal matter which can and should only be dealt with by the police. your HA taking no action to recover costs from the neighbour is their problem, not yours.
29/06/2011 12:40 pm
Ok i get it silly me Likes of us working class should be grateful for what we are given.
Your right of course shall hand in my notice and get on benefits then move somewhere with no work in middle of ressesion.
take my daughter out of school after all us under class don't need an education as we only deserve to work in uskilled underpaid jobs.
Keep the underclass where we belong so we can earn less in a year than the snobs earn in a month.
I think it has been far to long since you visited the real world.
29/06/2011 1:07 pm
I have deliberately kept off this thread until now, not because I don't have a view but because there is little I could offer to the 'debate'.
I have a robust way of dealing with things and; like you, FW Tenant, have been jumped upon -- mostly for suggesting that people my find that local experts such as councillors, high level housing professionals, tenants associations (the local press will know who they are and the associations may well know agencies who could proffer advice).
My suggestion is that you google 'community legal services' where you may find access to free legal advice and assistance. I am sorry I cannot be of more help (if, indeed, I have been any help at all).
I would have thought that a good landlord would at least be sympathetic to your cause but there may be circumstances which prevent them doing so or (at the risk of the wrath of other posters being poured down on me) your face doesn't fit or for some reason there is no alternative available, which I doubt.
29/06/2011 4:12 pm
At the risk of receiving an invitation to the real world, which I will have to regretfully decline, the situation appears to be:
- Disfunctional family next door
- Kid breaks into shed, nicks bike, then torches shed.
- Kid goes to court, is given some kind of order, whole family being assisted by an organisation called Catch 22.
- Someone breaks into shed again. Police and HA won't do anything because there is no evidence it was this kid.
I can't see what's wrong with this situation. It sounds like the police, the HA and the courts have taken the right action in trying to get this family sorted rather than just evicting them or sticking them in jail for their problems to perpetuate. If someone has broken into the shed, it may be a reasonable assumption that this kid did it but, in the absence of any evidence, it has to be considered equally likely that any one of 6 billion people did it and it would be completely unfair to target one person.
29/06/2011 4:30 pm
Sancho -- you are known to live in the real world and I recognise that you see the situation as it is. It is obvious that FW Tenant is basing her/his issues on the unproven element of the latest outrage and that, I am sorry to say, may be the wrong thing to do.
I see ithe larger picture from the angle that the tenant (FW Tenant) wants to move and the landlord is not offering an alternative property.
I would have thought the tenant will have considered asking the landlord to review their decision and pursue a move through the usual chnnlels. The tenant may even have considered loads of other options such as changing landlords.
Not all tenants are successful but not all fail and I am sure that exploring legal advice may assist the tenant even if such advice is along the grounds of "this is how it is and you have to accept that" which is what I gather many posters are advising but not in those words.
29/06/2011 4:33 pm
I am lucky to be both a Housing Officer and a Special Constable for Norfolk Constabulary. I can tell you unequivocally that unless the shed was property of the Housing Association this is indeed a matter for you to action. It was your property that was destoryed, not the Housing Association, therefore they are not obliged to take any action in regard to replacing the shed or seeking to prosecute the alleged perpetrator. They are however obliged to take action in relation to the ASB (music etc). The problem that exists for us is that obtaining a Notice of Seeking Possession for ASB and getting it through the courts is extremely difficult, even with the most solid evidence, Police Statemants, CCTV and witness statements courts dont like to put families out on the streets, regardless of how much of a scrote they might be.
As a Housing Officer I would have also refused to replace your shed, its not my/ my employers shed is it? Do you come and replace my mug when it gets stolen off my desk? No. Yet because Councillors are desperate to stay in their seat to get you to vote for them/their party they will act on your behalf, despite your issue flying in the face of common sense. Equally they all believe that you are all "vulnerable" as you are in social housing, or else you would rent private and believe they have a moral duty to fight for the little guy. Utter tosh. To be honest I would like to know who your landlord is and who removed their spine.
Welcome to the dark side of social housing my friend, it is a shame that there are those (like yourself) who do work, bring home the bread every day whilst your fellow occupiers of social housing stock choose to spend their time making your life uncomfortable.
Rick, once again I am saddened to read you see that jumping to the top of the tree as a way to resolve issues. Over the years I have seen good Housing Officers leave this job because they have been over ruled by a Chief or a member of Higher Management (who more then likely have spent less time on the ground then Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin) because the tenant who got told "no" didnt like it, despite it being in line with company policy and procedure. I personally hate getting councillors writing to me, I know my job, I do it well, I am customer focused yet when I say no they call my ability to do my job into question. This is part of the reason I will be leaving the sector later on in the year.
29/06/2011 5:03 pm
Good post Norfolk Rat.