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Can violence ever be a valid form of protest against the cuts?

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28/03/2011 2:50 pm

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Chris Webb

Chris Webb

Location: South East England
Posts: 224

05/04/2011 11:52 am

Mr P - do you not understand how many services rely on the numbers of staff to deliver an effective service - the meals on wheels example is valid. Even Pickles recognises your salami slicing approach is unsustainable; but like you Pickles can not offer a valid example of spending excess or surplus service.

Do prove me wrong by exampling which services can get by with fewer staff, and then by implication which services need the staff they have to remain viable.

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Location: Progressive Solutions Required
Posts: 379

05/04/2011 3:08 pm

Hi Melvin - what's this about raising arms - I never said that the examples listed raised arms, I did say that they were examples of the disadvantaged majority rising against the advantaged minority. Where this was achievable peacefully it was so achieved.

Do not put on the rose tinted specs of history however. The Civil Rights protests included bloody riots and murder; but then they disadvantaged were faced with extreme aggression and provocation. The passive resistance of Ghandi is a rarity as the meeting of violent oppression with violent response is far more common. What you refer to is where the protesters display admirable restraint, not avoidance of violence.

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Eric Blair

Eric Blair

Location: London
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06/04/2011 2:30 pm

@Anon - 02/04/2011 8:47 am

The things you've mentioned are a form of orchestrated state violence as far as I'm concerned, but I wouldn't be inclined to respond by rioting or attacking people. Somehow, that approach doesn't improve things. The way to respond is through legitimate non-violent action, organised protest and by trying to educate people about what's happening. A thankless task perhaps, but I don't know of another way that wouldn't compromise my integrity.

I think a lot of people are politically naive and won't take action until they are directly affected by these cuts. I sincerely hope the coalition don't last too long in government; they are dreadful people who are damaging the delicate fabric of our society.

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06/04/2011 4:24 pm

"I'm of the opinion that any violent protest means losing the argument."

That's an opinion which is contrary to what hisotry shows us.  Violent protest loses its argument when the violent protest fails, mainly because it is carried out by a tiny minority and because the greatest majority of protestors refuse to join in.

Violent protest wins its arguments and succeeds when the majority of the protestors carry it out and only a minority oppose it.

Therefore about winning an argument through violence, you win if you are stronger and you lose if you are weaker.

Whether the argument is right or wrong in the short or long term is another matter, but for when it happens the argument is won by the stronger side.

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Rick Campbell

Rick Campbell

Location: Macclesfield CHESHIRE
Posts: 424

06/04/2011 4:35 pm

An interesting point of view Anon @ 4-24pm.

I am over the opinion that the vast majority of tenants do not wish their voices to be heard. so, an uprising is unlikely. Oh, how I would love to be proved to be wrong though.

For the present we are confined to semantics rather than semtex -- a truly civilised approach.

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