Councils being sued
02/02/2009 10:50 pm
The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is threatening to take councils to court as it claims they do not do enough for women as victims of domestic violence.
That may well be a case to answer.
Yet, 1 in 4 women suffer / survive DV but 1 in 6 men suffer DV. Women have 300+ refuges, men have less than a handful. 102 women died in last official yearly count from DV, yet 37 men did.
If councils are guilty of not providing support for women suffering violence then they are far worse in not providing support for men as victims of DV.
Strange how the governments "Equality" quango fails to know this isnt it? Strange?... Sorry I mean scandalous!
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04/03/2009 11:12 am
An area that i to have noticed and wondered on why it was not addressed.
Often it seems the focus on such things is driven my central goverenment and they are subjected to heavy canvassing by the more vocal "rights" groups.
Something that male domestic voilence do not seem to have.
04/03/2009 12:39 pm
My main point is not against government - local or national - but the fact that the EQUALITY and HUMAN RIGHTS commission cant see past the ends of their noses. Aren't men as equal as women? Aren't men entitled to the same human rights as women?
These two 'bloody obvious' points have been missed by the EHRC and whether the power of the womens DV lobby or any other lobby has anything to do with is immaterial.
The EHRC has done itself a massive disservice here and unless it acknowledges this and quickly it loses all credibility as it cannot claim to be equal or have any semblance of inequality that the lack of provision for male victims of DV - by comparison with female provision - makes clear
05/03/2009 11:33 am
I agree with all your points.
But as with everything nothing is as simple.
The present inequality is a result of many factors, though the pressure groups for women’s rights and the PC brigade are I feel a major factor.
If the problem is to be addressed then we need to know how it came about and combat any bias.
The best tool in that war is to use publicity to shame them into answering “why” has this not been examined and act on it.
14/03/2009 12:09 pm
Surely not only the incidence of DV amongst men and women would have to be looked at to make comparisons. The women concerned might not be working in paid employment being at home with the kids which would make it very difficult for them to break away. Men who work on the other hand (and earn more) for example, are at an advantage. All is not equal when looking at the stats for DV and therefore more thorough research has to be carried out- and I am sure that this has been done.
Only men discussing this.......
16/03/2009 9:40 am
The point that everyone is missing here is obvious. THE foremost body on EQUALITY in the UK are themselves guilty of blatant inequality. By threatening to sue councils for not having enough DV provision for women, they miss the fact that women have 100 times the amount of provision that men fleeing DV have. (300+ refuges to about 3) The ‘great and the good’ of such ‘equality’ agencies should be ashamed of this and shamed about it.
That is not only ironic, it also shows just how embedded is the view that domestic violence is all about men hitting women. Yet this is clearly not the case as the crimes committed by women against men show. Crime is what DV is and the fact that it was recorded that 102 women and 38 men died at the hands of their partners proves this. We are talking murder and death here. Yet (a) all the provision is for women and that is an outrage and a disgrace, and (b) even the foremost EQUALITY specialists (allegedly) still only see DV as women being victims, men as perpetrators and men NOT as victims - That also is a disgrace and an outrage.
The issues about whether women or men have more chance to flee and other arguments are so insignificant in comparison with these two points. In no other area does society allow the safety of human beings to be so unsafe as it does toward men as victims of ‘domestic’ violence.
Even if all the women and men killed in DV statistics are all committed by men it is still a national disgrace that we have a chronic undersupply of support provision for them.
16/03/2009 10:35 am
Have you not noticed that the services that are available actually work to exist for themselves and therefore may as well not exist. The ones that are not available, well, good luck with that one.
Don't be silly, the 'Equalities Commision' does not exist for people experiencing discrimination but to ensure that the stats are available for government to claim they are doing something.....
Do not imajine for one minute that anyone is there to help- unless you have buckets full of money that is.
16/03/2009 12:24 pm
No - You misconstrue my point. I dont for one minute believe the EHRC exists for vulnerable people. I do know that it is a powerful supposedly independent agency that does have influence with government, local and national.
They have been very silly indeed by lodging this campaign as all it does is expose their own ignorance of equality.
But again the added point is this - if they, who are so regarded and hitherto respected, miss the point that there is a chronic lack of provision for men, by concentrating on easy public arguments they perpetuate the myth that only women suffer DV. Meanwhile men are dying because of the perpetuation of that myth and b****r all is being done to recognise that the problem exists let alone doing anything about it!
30/07/2011 4:43 am
Your comment is inhumane. How could you wish upon one group of individuals, a struggle to free themselves of abuses, when by your own admission you understand the nature of that which must be endured.
Refuges funded by the state for victims of DV I support; though it does seem to me unfair that those who perpetrate DV are allowed to go free. They clearly are a danger to at least one member of society, and so should be treated accordingly and detained.
02/10/2013 4:39 pm
Excellent thread Joe - there should be more of this sort of debate in the sector.