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27/07/2009 4:03 pm

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Abimbola  Badejo

Abimbola Badejo

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28/07/2009 12:48 pm

Court fees are a necessary part of the whole process and in ASB cases especially, the court costs should hopefully not be a factor preventing a social landlord from pursuing an appropriate case all the way to trial even in circumstances where the landlord is unlikely to recover its costs from the defaulting tenant. Clearly if you manage to obtain an order whereby there is a continuing relationship with the tenant, subject to your tenancy agreement, assessed costs could be added to the rent account.

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kass

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28/07/2009 3:46 pm

Abimbola Badejo Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:48 GMT

"...Clearly if you manage to obtain an order whereby there is a continuing relationship with the tenant, subject to your tenancy agreement, assessed costs could be added to the rent account."

In cases where such costs are debited to the tenant's account, will then automatically become rent arrears? And If they are not considered rent arrears and assuming the tenant has only basic means that he can only pay a weekly sums towards proper arrears, how is the landlord going to get these costs back? Can the landlord refuse repairs to get these costs back?

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TheHorbrarian

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29/07/2009 1:53 pm

My understanding is that Court costs that are not related to rent possession claims can not be added to the rent account. They would have to be in a sub account and can only be recovered through a money order and not as part of any possession claim.

I've found that Courts are making "windfall" money judgements in the case of non-rent claims so that the costs are basically unrecoverable from the tenant unless they win the lottery.

The hike from £150 to potentially £750 for a claim may make landlords more wary of bringing a claim to Court and in the case of anti-social behaviour, we will be going back to the old days of writing to the tenant with empty threats of action and hoping the problem will go away. Solicitors for defendants are well aware of tactics to put landlords off taking action, the letters I've received about taking decisions to Judicial Review for example. We will now see solicitors telling their clients that their case needs to go to trial.

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Harry Lime

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29/07/2009 2:15 pm

I would echo Chris's comments about the costs going into a sub account, it's very important that these costs in the seperate sub account are cleared though, else the order often lives on, that was certainly the case in rent arrears. On more than one occasion I've known residents to make enough of a payment into their rent account to clear their sub account but for whatever reason (usually clerical error) that didn't happen and that surplus went against the rent, so if people got into further financial difficulty and they thought they'd cleared the last order, in fact the previous court order was stil valid as the costs weren't cleared and potentialy they were liable to be have possession summarily taken in line with the court order.

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kass

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29/07/2009 6:27 pm

I just repeat this question, Can a landlord refuse services to its tenant as a way of recovering court costs?

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Harry Lime

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30/07/2009 8:30 am

To my knowledge Kass, no - the court costs and the money owing on them are a seperate entity from what you pay rent for, however refusal to pay the court costs can place you in breach of that oder so technically you may lose possession on the issue of your court costs, whilst your rent account may be in order. I've never known any scenario where a RSL has been deemed to be justified in withholding it's services whilst in dispute, apart from possibly with leaseholders.

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kass

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30/07/2009 8:43 am

Harry Lime Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:30 GMT...
thanks

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TheHorbrarian

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30/07/2009 10:30 am

Just to add to that, since the dissapearance of tolerated trespassers, I think that any refusal to carry out repairs to a property would risk being sued for disrepair.

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Ged Quayle

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30/07/2009 2:04 pm

If I remember rightly the duty to repair is set out in the Landlord and Tenant Act and you absolutely cannot opt out of it for any reason without getting a spanking. I don't *think* that's changed...

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kass

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30/07/2009 2:57 pm

There was talk some time ago about Social Landlords giving priorities of services to tenants not in arrears. i.e. if as a tenant I was in arrears they could say, sorry we can't help you because another tenant, who is not in arrears, has to have the same repair first - and only after that, if there is anything left in the budget, perhaps we'll come round to you, but don't count too much on it, because you are in arrears.
Apparently that was an effective measure to bring down the level of arrears. Is this still going on and is it legal for standard tenancies, please?

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TheHorbrarian

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30/07/2009 3:10 pm

RE: Prioritising repairs.

This was a way of dealing with Tolerated Trespassers who we technically could argue we didn't have a repair obligation to. I think that that has all gone now and we must carry out our duties to carry out repairs to all tenants regardless of any Court Order in place.

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Harry Lime

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30/07/2009 4:26 pm

Kass I think what you're referring to is somethinglike the Irwell Valley Gold Service initiative? http://www.irwellvalleyha.co.uk/livingwithus/content/646/about-gold-service.aspx
They can get away with giving priority to one group vs others as long as they meet legal minimum -28 days for most non urgent repairs less for other repairs.

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kass

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30/07/2009 5:28 pm

Chris Allan Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:10 GMT...
" RE: Prioritising repairs.
This was a way of dealing with Tolerated Trespassers who we technically could argue we didn't have a repair obligation to...."

I am a London and Quadrant secure tenant. London and Quadrant told me they would not carry out a repair because I was in arrears... Assuming that what I say it is true, was it illegal for them to tell me so?


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