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18/01/2011 5:34 pm

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Junior

Junior

Posts: 649

18/01/2011 9:18 pm

What do you class has a relevant issues.  What when a Housing Association can get a tenant out under ASB issues.

When a Tenant like me or a committee members is told this was staff i.e. manager's  said this at  a meeting.

What would you like that the  like of me or them  do not to say a word what do you not think that Staff at Housing Association do not behave in this unprofessional manner.  Well they do.  It was the first time.  Sorry you do not feel is important.  Well its very important to us.

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Anonymous

Anonymous

19/01/2011 10:50 am

^^^ Thus proving the original point ^^^

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kass

kass

Posts: 629

19/01/2011 11:07 am

Lily Mae which one of the anonymous professionals are you posting in the thread you mention?

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philipjohn001

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19/01/2011 11:17 am

If we're holding a vote I'm in favour of making this a more amicable discussion forum rather than the insulting and flaming one we currently appear to have.

Speaking as an "involved tenant" I find some of the comments posted to these forums embarressing to be honest, while I know that most people reading them will see the minority for what they are newcomers to the forums won't understand and will, I feel be put off from commenting - even if they actually know what they're talking about...

It's about time womething changed and I agree with the comments added to the other post.

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19/01/2011 11:55 am

perhaps a useful solution would be to have two forums: one for housing staff to discuss matters with their peers in which users would have to have an RSL email account to participate, and another for tenants to ask advise from housing staff/ and or anyone to post with any questions. That way if people post on the right forum they will be able to discuss and debate in the environment that they want to be involved in.

I see nothing wrong with posters asking challenging question and disagreeing with reasoned debate, but this appears not to have been the case recently.

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Junior

Junior

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19/01/2011 12:04 pm

Keepingitreal  - very good idea you have come up.

I/We ask my Housing Association these challenging questions and they choosen to irgnore.

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Anonymous

Anonymous

19/01/2011 12:04 pm

Another voice here for some action to prevent a couple of people who appear to be 'professional' (if somewhat incoherent) complainants from abusing the facilities here.

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Junior

Junior

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19/01/2011 12:32 pm

anon 19. Couple people abusing the facilities here - who is the couple of people and it what way do you believe abusing the facilities

Its under "Ask a Expert"  do not people come here for advise its that no the point of these sites.

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kass

kass

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19/01/2011 12:34 pm

Keeping Reall

"I see nothing wrong with posters asking challenging question and disagreeing with reasoned debate, but this appears not to have been the case recently."

Probably because you have abused it yourself.

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kipzilla

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19/01/2011 1:52 pm

perhaps a useful solution would be to have two forums: one for housing staff to discuss matters with their peers in which users would have to have an RSL email account to participate

This could be problematic as some users may want to post but not on behalf of their organisation and if their account is linked to a work email account it could be construed as such.

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The Democratic Dictator

The Democratic Dictator

Location: Somewhere in a Democracy
Posts: 22

19/01/2011 2:03 pm

Here we go again....

It is precisely this mentality which has caused so much havoc all over the world and let dictators like me run amok in countries causing pain and grief to their inhabitants. 

Who do some people think they are better than others? Who is the judge and who is the jury?

The Inside Housing forum is successful because it is not divisive. Creating divisions will lead to pompous bigots jamming one particular type of forum leading to a concentration of a particular viewpoint. Where is the debate in that?

Get your heads out of the sand people and enjoy the debates, for better or for worse. No wonder the UK has one of the highest divorce / separation rates in the world....

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19/01/2011 2:06 pm

Kass, please don't try to start a fight with me. If I say something incorrect or inappropriate on a forum I'd fully expect my post to be deleted and to get a warning from the moderators. If I offend somone then I'll apologise if/ when I become aware of it.

If I have offended you by some insult or breach of ettiquette then I do apologise. If we simply disagree, then let's just disagree. If we all agreed then there would be no debate.

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19/01/2011 2:12 pm

....fair point kipzilla...was just an idea!

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kass

kass

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19/01/2011 2:28 pm

I think to satisfy these various anonymous people and professionals who seem to be unsatisfvied with anything that challenges them they should have a forum just for themselves so they can tell each other how well they are doing, how good they are, how constructive they are, no matter what the customers think.

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Sancho

Sancho

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19/01/2011 2:36 pm

I tend to agree with Democratic Dictator. 

One thing I would suggest is that in the 'Ask the Experts' section anyone can ask a question, but only the expert panel are able to respond.  There is a lot of scope for someone who is not an expert to post 'advice' that could cause all sorts of problems.

Other than that, this is an open forum and should stay that way unless someone launches personal attacks, in which case the post should be reported and dealt with my the moderators as they see fit. 

As we are all adults, I suggest we simply ignore any post that we don't like.

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Melvin Bone

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19/01/2011 2:36 pm

I think the balance is about right at the moment.

There are a couple of Trolls but they are not nasty ones.

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Harry Lime

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Posts: 164

19/01/2011 2:50 pm

I think some perspective needs to be taken, if you're such a sensitive flower that a rebuking post from someone else upsets you so much I'd question whether you should post anyway.  The fact that probably less than 5% of the posts on "ask the experts" are actually from experts indicates the level of "professional" activity.

Equally if you're incapable of accepting that many posts that differ in view from yourself may actually be correct, at least in the eyes of the poster then again, I'd question the validity of whether it's appropriate to post.  This final point is clearly aimed at those that seem to be upsetting many on here.....

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Sidney Webb

Sidney Webb

Location: South East England
Posts: 224

19/01/2011 2:55 pm

Who's that trip-trapping over my bridge?

Ok Melvin, you may pass.

Even Trolls get it right from time to time, thus their input should not be stopped. It has been pleasant to not have to suffer the continual racist rants that occured for a while, or the 'entryist' contributions from some undesirable groups and the Daily Mail; and surely should such extremes be suffered again IH will act accordingly.

There are many views posted that I disagree with, but they are justified to be published. And if they were not, what would I reply to?

Trolls, anti-trolls, and deformed housing ministers all have aright to be heard. However, when chastised for getting to caught up in the red-mists I do normally apologise, step back and try to learn. I am not alone in this and have seen others apologise for the same.

My advice to Lily therefore is share what you know and think; join the debate; but object when you feel you should and seek moderation if you think a post is too out of order. That way we all gain the benefit of the widest views.

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Cinnamon

Cinnamon

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19/01/2011 3:00 pm

"Kass -I think to satisfy these various anonymous people and professionals who seem to be unsatisfvied with anything that challenges them they should have a forum just for themselves so they can tell each other how well they are doing, how good they are, how constructive they are, no matter what the customers think."

Brilliant idea!!

Where do I sign up?

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kass

kass

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19/01/2011 3:34 pm

This thread cgives a good indication that social housing professionals posting here are living in a world totally alien to tenants. And to keep it that way they all come out in force to tell the editor of IH how website forums should be run (i.e. according to their own rules and ideas of what tenants should or should not say).

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