Housing Assoiation's, ASB and Evidence Gathering
15/03/2011 3:55 pm
Here is a hypothetical scenario.
A Tenant is accused of ASB (Anti social Behaviour).
The Landlord a very large Housing Association initiates its ASB policy against the Tenant.
Failing to find any evidence of actual ASB, due to the fact his/her neighbour has lied about ASB in the first place, should the Landlord not take action against the complainaint for malicious allegations?
Also, in evidence gathering by the houinsg assoication, does the Landlord have the right to report the accused's car to the DVLA, the Police or Departemnt of Work and Pensions as well?
Is this normal Housing Association policy??
I would be most grateful for any advice
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15/03/2011 7:02 pm
I Must Apologise for my appalling Typos, as you can guess I'm not very good at typing.
(Why did'nt I use the spell-checker)
16/03/2011 8:22 am
should the Landlord not take action against the complainaint for malicious allegations? - No. however it would be makeweight to dismiss further "claims" of asb from you.
does the Landlord have the right to report the accused's car to the DVLA, the Police or Departemnt of Work and Pensions as well? - yes. anyone can report a vehicle (for no tax, unroadworthy, suspected dumped and or stolen etc)
Is this normal Housing Association policy?? - if this relates specifically to the car, then yes, if the complaint is about the car (as in parked badly, unroadworthy, suspected stolen etc etc.)
if you mean generally as per your first question, again i would say yes.
why not just ask your landlord for a copy of their policy, hypothetically of course.
16/03/2011 8:50 am
Should the Landlord not take action against the complainaint for malicious allegations? - Absolutly.
As for the other issues I agree with Bill.
16/03/2011 10:13 am
I agree with Bill.
On the specific question "should the Landlord not take action against the complainaint for malicious allegations?", well in an ideal world people wouldn't get away with making stuff up. But in reality there just isn't the time to 'take action' on stuff like this. Allegations are made, they are looked into, and if there is no substance to them you move on to the next case.
I'm assuming from your hypothetical situation that you have one neighbour's word against another. The complainant would no doubt continue to insist they have witnessed ASB. How does the Association disprove that? And is it the best use of staff time and your rent money in pursuing this issue? Even if they did pursue, what end would you want to achieve?
Surely it's better to try and move on and let the Association focus its energy on investigating allegations of actual ASB?
16/03/2011 1:33 pm
In these situations landlords have a lot to lose (and hide) - like not having acted properly all along - so they are not going to do anything about it and they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot in taking any action... The only action they will take is recommend a transfer so that they stop the complaints. Of course they have not removed the problem at all, just left it for the next tenants. But the landlord won't care about that, because like with the first tenant, they can let easily 2o years go by before even offering a transfer to the new tenants.
As of the tenants who would have to transfer, if it happens, they would have to pay higher rents, probably get a less secure tenancy and rights, and another host of problems.
This is a case in which someone is victimised for life and whatever decision he or she takes he is going to end up worse. Victims have never come first and they will not be first now.
16/03/2011 3:56 pm
Nonny is wrong as nonny normally is. Every complaint should be investigated fully. Otherwise you'd moan that any complaint you made (hypothetically of course) could be dismissed as vindictive.
If YOU beleive it was vindictive YOU should contact the police.
Hypothetically of course...
16/03/2011 4:46 pm
Finding no evidence (and frankly thew amount of evidence required for legal action is quite small compared to a criminal prosecution) is not the same as a complainant telling lies.
Telling lies to get a neighbour into trouble could be viewed as harassment by the neighbour lied against and s/he could make an ASB complaint perhaps?
Our landlord housing association openly encourages residents to report speeding traffic offences.
16/03/2011 4:54 pm
In these circumstances, the it would be unrealistic to expect a social landlord to 'take action' against the complainant. Conceivably it could be harassment, but this would invite a whole new investigation, and the landlord would take a view as to the resources they want to expend on looking into this. If the alleged perpetrator wants to take matters further, he or she should speak to a solicitor about defamation/libel. It's not a police matter, and they wouldn't even entertain a complaint in these circs.
As for reporting the car - this is standard practice for landlords. I can't see why there would be a problem? If the vehicle is untaxed and not SORN, DVLA will take an interest, and if it's untaxed and being driven the police will be interested. This is actually the sort of thing that housing officers routinely pick up on estate inspections.
16/03/2011 5:34 pm
If the landlord has strong evidence to suggest that the allegations were made maliciously, as opposed to them not being able to substantiate the allegations, then yes they should take some. That action does have to be justified and proportionate. A warning letter or acceptable behaviour agreement/contract might be appropriate depending on the circumstances.
Here is an example of where this has been done. Whilst investigating a stage 2 complaint that the landlord had failed to deal with allegations of ASB appropriately, the complainant put forward the names of several neighbours who could apparently verify the incidents of ASB by another neighbour.
When the neighbours were interviewed they all stated separately that they had previously been bullied by the complainant to make false allegations against the alleged perpetrator. Furthermore they disclosed that the complainant was spreading malicious rumours on the Estate about the alleged perpetrator. The complainant was given a final written warning.
You do not say what the landlord reported the vehicle for. Generally speaking there is nothing to prevent a landlord (or anyone else)reporting a vehicle to the relevant authorities if they believe a law has been breached.
17/03/2011 12:30 pm
Sadly malicious complaints are not always hypothetical, I have come across several such cases over the years the latest quite recently involving a tenant who made life hell for his neighbours by reporting them for abuse and intimidation of himself and his family whilst in reality it was the tenant who was doing the abusing. When the HA (and police) wised up the complainant was moved to another estate, the first estate got back to normal life but the new estate is now suffering from this tenant alledging harrasment by his new neighbours. Definate case of I told you so from the old neighbours but also annoyance that he was moved to a newbuild home without any restriction on his behaviour.
As to the vehicle, not sure what the policy is but I would hope that my neighbouhood officer would pass on details of untaxed cars as they are often also uninsured and have no MOT.
18/03/2011 11:26 am
Rather suspect line of least resistance taken by local housing officer, we have a new one now. Police I suspect are fed up of trying to get cases like this past Crown Prosecution Service
18/03/2011 3:45 pm
I would answer yes to all of this. If someone is a malicious complainant they must accept that this is a form of nuisance in itself, and as such, should warrant action against them that is appropriate to the level of harm they have caused. If this can be helped with the use of mediation then fine, but the situation cannot be ignored or it will just get worse.
With regard to reporting any evidence found of potential criminal offences I would assume we would do this anyway, in a consistent fashion across all the stock not just in cases like this - you can't pick and choose who you will report for infringements like this - you should just be doing it anyway or you legitimise ongoing criminal behaviour and the line you then draw becomes blurred.
01/07/2011 9:15 pm
I am actually a tenant in this position. I have been in an ongoing dispute with my neighbour since we moved in last August.
I am not going to insult people's intelligence by saying that I have acted like a saint. There has been a lot of tit for tat petty annoyances. However, my neighbour has reported me for criminal damage and two counts of threatening and intimidating their relatives during visits.
This neighbour has CCTV installed which would clearly show whether or not this had actually happened. The housing officer, the ASB officer and the Comunity Safety Manager have repeatedly ignored my insistence that these events never happened.
Latest news is that I have now been threatened with an injunction against me for my behaviour. Can this even be done without my version of events being investigated?
Any advice gratefully received.
01/07/2011 9:39 pm
As a further adjunct to this I should add that this neighbour has refused mediation 3 times.
The housing association concerned have decided that this neighbour has done nothing to intentionally annoy or cause a nuisance to us. I have made numerous complaints that have gone uninvestigated.
One of which regarded a CCTV camera which was directed straight across our rear garden. It was not watching her property at all. The HA did not send someone to even look at this until 24 days after it was reported, their own charter says investigations to be completed within 10. By which time the neighbour had had the view moved from the original angle.
I have been warned over photographing this neighbour. Even though as far as I am concerned it is for the purposes of evidence gathering.
The main concern I have is that the HA investigation such as it is appears to be completely one sided. Everything this neighbour says seems to be believed while anything we say is disregarded.
This is a real case and I am at a loss to understand why they are refusing to at least look at/ask neighbour to show the CCTV footage of these incidents. What can I do? Is a stage 2 request the way forward and hope it is picked up by the panel?
HA name witheld but will supply if asked.
21/06/2012 9:40 pm
i have the same problem..iv been in a housing association since 1995..had some complaints in the past over my kids been noisy...they have grown up now a settled down..but still have a 9 year old..new tennants have moved in 2 years ago..and was asked to do a log sheet...i have had a letter saying we too noisy..about going up a down stairs a music blarring most night..a.m in mornings..which is lies..as i work in schools with children..they have told a few lies to association about me..one saying i had a massive party august bank holiday weekend..and caused them nuisance..which now iv had a seeking possession of my assured let property...i have proof i wasn,t in my property at this weekend as i went camping 60 miles away..and i had used my bank card to pay for goods while away..they constantly tell lies about me..and when i try a tell the authorities about my side of story they seem to ignore me..which now i make my own day to day diary..to proof where i been or what have i been doing.but they don,t seem to listen even though i got enough evidence...it getting me kids down..feel im having a nervous breakdown..as we tip toe round the house..he also got 2 cctv one in the back a front..they are not pointing at his 2 cars they pointing on my drive a front door/the back one is on my patio where my table a chairs are..we cannot sit in back garden as we contantly been watched..i tell my visitors to be quiet as we been watched in the front...iv told the police..but he has moved the camera before they come round..and moves it back weeks later..im at the end of my tether..court proceedings are taking place july 16th..what can i do..going to see shelter..and also have a few letters from my other neighbours..but athorities dont listen..or they wont read them...
21/06/2012 11:20 pm
Have you got a lawyer?... If you have to attend court I advice to get a lawyer as soon as possible and provide you lawyer with as much evidence as you have. In future make sure that any contacts with your Housing Association is made in writing so you can have proof... It looks like from what you say your real enemies are not the neighbours by your housing association and the police, because if they had helped you you would not be in the situation you are in now, so keep precise diaries on your dealing with them and try to have witnesses for everything you do with them. If you done nothing wrong make sure you and your lawyer make it clear to the magistrate in court. Contacting shelter asap is a very good idea...
28/06/2012 11:53 pm
thankyou for your comment,,i took picture of their cctv pointing at mine,which shelter told me to gather evidence...from my garden,which camera didnt work..now i have had a letter from housing my neighbours ahve complained about me doing this..and it in breach of my possession order...and harrassing them..surely is it them that harrassing me by my human rights law?as everyone has the right to respect for their private and family life,their house and correspondence..i have complained about his constant drilling and banging..but had a reply by housing saying..that is petty..i dont seem to get anywhere..shelter now is on my side..and has told them i have enough evidence..so it down to them to take me further on the 16th..shelter also told me..if it means to i can really take all to crown court..it proves also the camera is working,as i wouldn,t have had a letter complaining about me taking pictures from my property..so i think they slipped up somewhere there..i have again reported them to the police.i have to go police station on sunday..but in the meantime got a feeling them cameras will be moved again..please someone..what can i do..im forever on google ,trying to find things out..im jotting things down everytime..i shoulnt live like this..my children are suffering..now the weather is getting better,my 19 year old daughter always sunbathes in the garden..now she will be watched over,and it sickning to me,what they are watching us...i did put a garden brolly up to hide their view,and within 30 mins,he went on his ladders to move it for him to see..why is he doing this..and is there anything i can do?and can the h/a ask him to have the cameras on us?
29/06/2012 6:48 pm
to be honest, if your housing association is against you on this, they will find a lot of excuses to avoid any request from you... From what you say and the fact that the H/A are taking you to court you shouldn't rely on anything from them. Just follow advice from proper qualifiede sources, shelter, lawyers, etc and be as ready as possible for the court case... I have several times asked my own housing trust what evidence they need to prove antisocial behaviour from neighbours and they have never given me an answer, so I myself do not know how to go about it... It looks like anything you do they will turn it against you, so follow the qualified advice you are given by shelter and lawyer... I am afraid I can't help you more than this but please let us know what happens.
29/06/2012 9:12 pm
i will let you know..i been to doctors aswell as im depressed...feel so low...can,t belive a h/a could do such thing to a family..now iv found out..my neighbours have done this to their past neighbourhood..they had a street party when they left..but don,t think i can get evidence for this....really feel so low...can,t get a morgage..and private rent is so dear..plus made this my home past 16 years..kid are in school here,iv got 3 jobs around here..and they on benefits nextdoor..it just annoying..i want to go on a mountain and scream..they pass me a say things out loud to each other,..to annoy me a make me flip or something..and that will be the end ..to get me out..im bitting my tongue in all this..hope ..if it goes to court i will get an apology off someone..as it is very stressful and a nuisance and i call this harrassment
01/07/2012 3:19 pm
if housing are against me..can they throw me out?..as they are the landlord?or can i go to someone higher than my tenancy enforcement officer and my housing officer?
01/07/2012 9:47 pm
the police have been there and my neighbours have told them the h/a has asked them to point the cameras at my property to gather evidence..but evidence that is not there,as they told a lot of lies..why are they on these neighbours side?...iv had a visit months ago over a tissue going over garden..what is anti-social behaviour plz..as we are not doing anything different to any family..and ho2w long can these cameras be on me...as writting this im in tears can,t sleep..please can someone reply as it driving me mad
01/07/2012 11:14 pm
You do not state which housing association this is, or whether you have been keeping a diary of events yourself. I do not know whether this is a possibility, but my housing association if you request one, has to elevate this to a stage 2. This means everything is put before a panel made up from residents of the hosuing assocation itself. You will be able to present your evidence and they can present theirs. The panel then makes a judgement which the housing association should abide with. If they do not, or you do not agree with the panel's decison you can go to the Housing Ombudsman. Normally, the Housing Ombudsman will not look at a case until the complaints procedure has been exhausted.
You will note from my post above, I had problems with a malicious neighbour also, she has recently made yet more false allegations against me. However, I have installed my own CCTV system now and were able to prove these to be a pack a lies. I still had to retain the services of a legal representative before they would even look at this evidence though.
My advice would be to put in a formal complaint and stage 2 request, get some legal advice and make sure they are with you at the hearing. It is what I have just done because the behaviour of the HA and the representative "investigating" the previous claims has been reprehensible. I also submitted the request via the Chief Executive not the local office as I gave p trying to get any sense out of them long ago.
02/07/2012 3:03 pm
td tanx you both..iv seen shelter and a solicitor..if the h/a officer has told nextdoor to do such thing..it a sacking matter as they could have put their own up to investigate..and is i can take the further human rights act 1998...and if they havn,t told the neighbours to do it..i can take my neighbours further also they have told the police lies and told lies about the h/a...so it proves they tell lies..so in that way im winning somewhere...im a bag of nerves as really iv had a letter because of this tissue going over which a gust of wind could have done that..i have my own diary..which i told them months ago iv got one..but dont seem to listen..but they will have to when all is revielled..as with the camping buissness and stuff...iwill see if stage 2 is the way forward..but don,t want to make matters worse for myself..if i do win this..they will try anything after to get me out or what?
02/07/2012 4:22 pm
housing associations blacklist tenants they do not like. This has nothing to do with you being a bad tenant, for example if you are a tenant who complains, quaite rightfully about issues, they will try to make him or her pass as a obnoxious complainant... That's why tenants do not complain any more when things go wrong on repairs and other issues , because they are scared their H/A will blacklist them... And if there is a antisocial issue they will take the side of those who never complain about repairs and other issues. in short they will find any excuse not to fulfil their duties against you. It looks like from what you said, that your enemy is not your beighbours, but your H/A because if they had acted properly in your behalf you would not be in such a situation as you are now... You seem to be doing the right thing, do not forget to keep a detailed diary of all exchanges between you and your Housing Association staff. Ask for all communication to be in writing either by letter or email. No point in communicating by phone as they will change whatever you say to suit their purposes and you would have nothing to prove the truth. You will be safe as long as you keep a detailed diary, get any other evidence and demand all communication be done in writing, do not accept anything less.
02/07/2012 8:49 pm
diary is about all the household..what we do..what time we go out and come in..if iv dropped something and made some noise..i even keep reciepts if iv gone from my village ..to proof i was not in the property..as half of their complaints have been when we were not in the property ..it stupid i know..but that what i got to do..i had nieces here playing with mine on sat...they were running up a down stairs and arguing..like kids do..so iv put that down on my diary..which i did tell them to be quiet..but their kids playing at the end of the day...no doubt they will complain about that day..but im prepared and i admit they were loud..but why should i stop nieces a family coming round because of them
03/07/2012 10:00 am
I agree with you, but that's what hundred of thousands if not millions of people do, keeps diaries about their Houssing Associations staff and their neigbours because that's why their social landlords has told them to do... Forget work, family or life, That's your life now and main occupation - everything else becomes second. Our social landlords and housing associations ruin tenants lives by making us all scared of them of our neighbours - Everybody knows and has known this situation for decades, frontline Housing STaff, their managers, their directors, their ceos, but it suits them to keep tenants scared so they won't complain about bad services and they can get away by not fulfilling their duties towards us.
03/07/2012 5:58 pm
As a newly retired police officer who has worked in community policing for years and used to the evidence gathering process for ASBO's I would simply say this....there's an old saying which I hold great store in. There's no smoke without fire, there are always two sides to every story. Any practitioner worth their salt should be able to see through malicious complaints....not easy I grant you. The problem being that you can't camp out outside the affected addresses and see for yourself. Robust questioning, no nonsense style and common sense should be applied, any fluffy stuff should be avoided at all cost. The consequences of lying about the situation should always be outlined in full to all parties. ASB diaries, CCTV, witnesses, strong links with local police team combined with being able to level with people is the only hope. I just hope its that easy when I start my new job as a housing officer soon !
03/07/2012 9:44 pm
it is true what you are saying about these diaries...it does become your first job..it takes over..only to defend myself...it gets you down,contant headaches and crying all the time..if h/a would have listened to me from the start..family wouldn,t go through this...it about people,s lives here ruined because of malicious lies..dont know if we going to have a home...andspoiling our day to day life..we on pins everytime..scared to laugh out loud..if we want to..play board games as we did..incase we are too loud..etc...good luck in your new job greyed..hope you will respect your tennants view..if you come across something like this...it is the most horrible thing iv ever gone through in my intire life..i wish this on no-one...but what will they get if found out(h/a)..and the neighbours?..as they have nearly ruined a hard working,friendly family here...and if i do win here..would i still have to live nextdoor to these people?..coz i cannot afford to move..and we are having new kitchen a bathrooms soon..which waited years to have..also made this my home..thankyou all that responded to my comment..was nice to hear version of you people..i know now im not alone..and it was nice to speak to someone else..that really listened....much appriciated..thank all xxx
04/07/2012 0:46 am
03/07/2012 5:58 pm As a newly retired police officer who has worked in community policing for years and used to the evidence gathering process for ASBO's I would simply say this....there's an old saying which I hold great store in. There's no smoke without fire, there are always two sides to every story. Any practitioner worth their salt should be able to see through malicious complaints...." Yes, and there might be three sides or four sides to the same story. It is a standard cliche' social landlords and housing association staff use not to solve any issue and wait for their salary to come in... Probably it is a trick learnt it from the police who use it a lot to cover up their failures and not to investigate crimes...
05/07/2012 8:05 pm
Well anonymous......you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time. Firstly I'm not a 'standard' kind of a guy and I won't be waiting for my salary to come in believe me. If I wanted that kind of job I'd have stayed in the police.
05/07/2012 11:32 pm
greyed... I am not saying you personally are standard of any kind... I have absolutely know clues about you to state anything personal to you... I am commenting about what is going on in socila housing... But I am glad you left the police because that's what is going on in there... I wish more would police staff would follow your example.
26/07/2012 7:35 pm
well im still waiting for some sort of letter or something..don,t know if h/a made an application to the court on 16th...but in the meantime..iv had a warning letter of the police..harrassment..i told them it a joke when they harrassing me...they have verbally abused my 9 year old over the garden fence...they have ran infront of my 19year old picking middle finger up to her..while in her car..they have abused another neighbour as she was ringing my bell..and she had a go back..and they had taped her and cctv seen her argying back..she was taken in for questioning and kept for 21 hours...we have reported them to the police...my daughter had to fill a risk assessment form(new thing)they said...neighbours have moved their cameras a bit over their side...he has cut a round hole in my back fence..and it looks a state..and they can see through....and they still dont do anything....they have also annoyed other neighbours around now..as this street was a friendly street and everyone looked after one another..what is wrong with h/a...it makes me wonder if they are related or something..as my housing officer was there the other day..for 3 hours sunbathing in the back garden
26/07/2012 9:24 pm
You state you have had a letter from the police and told them it's a joke. How, was this by phone, in person or by letter? If it was anything other than by letter, write to them explaining your reasons why this is false. As has been said before, DO OR SAY NOTHING NOW THAT IS NOT IN WRITING.
You also state that they have annoyed the neighbours around you, get written statements from all of them that have been affected if they are willing to supply them. The HA will find it lot harder to ignore if there is more than one tenant complaining.
The HO who was there sunbathing, was this during the week or weekend? either way, what was he doing at the property for 3 hours sunbathing or otherwise. Your neighbours have already supplied CCTV footage to "substantiate" their claims. This means that the cameras are working. I would be asking the HO's boss to look at this footage and explain what the HO was doing there for that length of time?
Have you requested the stage 2 review yet? We are now on the 25th, if the HA had applied to the court on the 16th I would have thought you would definitely have heard something by now. You can always visit the local county court with some ID and ask directly.
31/07/2012 4:57 pm
the police came here and handed me a red warning letter..i have still not heard nothing..and all is keeping away..but last week the neighbours daughter has started on my child..she 21..so we went to the police about it..they did a risk assessment on her..dont know what came of that..if it gone to court(seeking possession)how will i be notified?..will housing come here?..or a letter from a judge?...it annoying not knowing..even if they havn,t put it in..they should have sent me a letter saying about it by now..im sort of getting used to the cameras being there now..as we know we not doing nothing..but dont like them watching us
01/08/2012 8:46 pm
well they done it again..put another cctv up..and put one on my car and the other one on theirs now...why didnt they put the first one on their car?..the place is beginning to look like the street is full of criminal offences going on..we never had this before..and looks ugly...they either got something to hide..or they dont trust the whole neighbourhood..who do they think they are..intimidating people that lived here half their lives...police went there over daughter and just told them to stop getting the next generation involved..this could really turn to become nasty if it continue,s..dont want any of this..just want to live in peace...but cant live nextdoor to these people..i also have put my name on the swapping list and my h/o has declined it..so im trying to do everything but someone stopping me
06/11/2012 10:13 pm
Only just found this site and sorry to hear about the problems you've been experiencing.
I've had similar, but luckily the police could see thru my neighbour, whom now has been moved on to cause problems else where. Only thing I can say is keep doing the right thing and don't let it get you down.
Where are you so far, did it go to court, are the police still blinkered ? The h/a are useless, my neighbour threw bricks at my child and myself, also smashed my windows, disgraceful behaviour. All because I complained about her loud music playing and wouldn't be her friend, all very strange x
07/11/2012 10:54 pm
well now,i am moving..can,t take no more..camera,s still on me,,didnt go to court no evidence,but during the wait,h/o..offered me a bigger property,which i needed..i didnt want to move,but it for the best..these neighbours can get away with everything for some reason...a few other neighbours have complained about them,,but they can twist people round their little finger...i wrote to as many people as i could..etc..my local mp,am..chief executive,chief constable..police been here they cannot do anything about the cctv on us..it a civil matter..that will cost me 250 pounds..which i havnt got...they sick in the head looking at us 24/7..nothing else to do...it horrible for the people im making a mutual exchange with..been looked at boxes a stuff backwards a forwards..does anyone out there know how can i get these people?..as our lives been ruined and also moving was the last thing i wanted to do..dont know if h/o knows they made a mistake by not taking me to court and put me on the exchange list....the new neighbours are prepared for all of this..i have told them..which the h/o didnt tell them..but they could be ok with these people
08/11/2012 0:41 am
You should phone the Sun Newspaper or the Daily Mail and tell your story to them, they might help you to get the evidence you need or even put one of they reporters on the case to take videos and pictures... Once on the papers, the H/A, the police and the council will have to do something about.
08/11/2012 8:12 am
i thought of doing all that...iv got evidence of him cutting his hedge and throwing the cuttings over my garden with rubish in it..i have told h/o about this..he admitted it..but still no harrassment letter or nothing..seems they can harrass me..and get away with it...police told me if i find the money to go civil court..it may be a waste of money as im resolving the suituation by moving!..that is why i am moving,it them that harrassing me...need money to move aswell..they still want me as their tennant though...was from june going to court until october gathering evidence...i was all up for it going to court,as it wasn,t us,,it them...but didnt have a solicitor though as earning too much..and shelter had finished giving me advise...i feel for everyone that goes through a suituation like this...and beg them..if you not going nowhere with it.and you a family suffers with your health..get out..it not worth it..it can drive you mental...hope im happy new home..but will try my best to gather this money together...they get away with everything
08/11/2012 9:43 am
i couldn,t wait to show all my evidence in court..then h/o..decided not to take it further and offered me a 4 bedroom house?..if they were evicting me,,at one stage..why offer me a swap?..they have made a boo--boo and ashamed to admit it..but really they carry on with their jobs..they still live nextdoor and iv got the cost of moving house and try a settle the kids..not much of a garden as the house is big...and people have got away with everything..it annoys you..if it was the other way round..i would have got done by the police,h/o would have given me warning letters..and so on...i want to gather the money together but cant because of the move...and it doesnt guarrantee the judge would grant me anything at the end of the day..iv got 3 more weeks of these people harrassing me..and then live in peace,hopefully,as im still in the same village and i work where her children go to school
08/11/2012 12:33 pm
I think its best to move away, esp if you have no other choice, why stress yourself that much in to a state. Believe in karma, sure these vile creatures next door to you will meet there match and get squashed, why worry yourself, start a fresh and don't look back. I'm sure the h/o will have the same problem with the new neighbours issues and so on, be their problem then. N you always no where they live and they won't know where you are; if you decide on revenge, wink wink :) x
08/11/2012 7:43 pm
ye i belive in karma..phoned h/o today about the cameras and they are writting letters to them as they told me now they in breach of their tenancy agreement..they have changed their views for some reason..i told them daily mail intrested in my story..and will have to bring the h/o address up as it started over them..they didn,t like that at all..they know i will write to people to get my voice over,also nextdoor knows we moving so they trying their best for us to flip or something..which that will never happen..there,s too many people that will do that for us once we moved...they will regret that we have moved out..as the family we are swopping with are very loud as family visit them every weekend and they entertain,she has loads of grandchilren which she said are very noisy..they have 3 dogs..son plays the trumpet everyday..and they love the karaoke...so wish i was a fly on the wall really..plus they have invited us over xmas for their xmas parties...and if they complain about these..they have never had a complaint against them with the housing..so who they going to listen too?...shame it gone to this..but if anybody is in this suituation gather evidence as soon as you can..and keep diaries...and i think they should be punished for what they have done..but their time will come..one day
08/11/2012 11:06 pm
The problem is that yo should not be expected to go into any expenses if you have to move, and your rent should not be higher where you move. If you H/A has failed to deal with your antisocial neighbours you should be compensated for any expenses you incur in your move. You should write to your H/A saying that you expect for them to cover your expenses and also if the pay you will have to pay in the new place is higher, you should be compensated for the difference... After all if your H/A had acted rightly and your situation is as you describe it, they should have evicted your neighbours and you would not have needed to move. If you do not write to them about these expenses and compensation before you do your move, you might not be able to claim them afterwards, because the H/A will say they did not force you to move and it was you free choice to move.
09/11/2012 9:31 pm
iv had such bad luck with them..don,t think they will do that..do you? it would be nice to be compersated..but they will think im taking it a bit further again..now they just want the move to run smoothly..
10/11/2012 9:14 pm
Gr8 news bout the ppl who will house swap with you. Pls don't flip at the vulger things next, the housing probably know what their like, but like other h/o's don't do anything untill they have to. I had so much haressment from my next door neighbour, she planned to throw acid in my face, but was braggin to the wrong person; who was then aware it'll gone to far and informed the police. The addidas wearing creature was forced to house swap and the police informed the social services about her intentions and now fears about losin her children, to whom she relies on for benefits. I never did anything and kept calm, but she eventually dropped herself in it, thats karma enough 4 me and sure the same will happen for you.
Not good about the financial implications, but what else can you do, least yr outta that place, better for the kids. Was on a gr8 website called neighboursfrom hell.com. gave me loads of support and information, got me thru a difficult time, esp when you knoww the thousands of other ppl that are goin thru the same things :) x
11/11/2012 6:27 pm
ow i feel for you...i got on that website once..but couldn,t get back on it...why can people and h/a get away with it though..my life been hell for such a long time..and seems like i have the paper work..and no-one else has..i used to google everything..being my own solicitor..and when the law said things..and many of time i refrased my words..etc..cctv..throwing rubbish over mine..and hacking away at my tree..the same answers was coming up..they were breaking the law..but in this town..they were not?...i wonder if you can pay a solicitor in installment..and start it now..i could do that..and i really want to do something...today he had no respect for the fallen heroes..as he drilled away all day even on the 11th hour..felt like shouting over the fence,but he would have called the police and said it was harrassment...emptied my sheds yesterday and was making a bit of noise..but yet they was looking over the fence to see what i was doing..they know im moving..so why cant they just leave me to carry on...it heartbreaking as it it