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MOONLIGHT ROBBERY FOR HOUSING ASSOCIATION TENANT'S

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21/03/2009 4:00 pm

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Junior

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22/03/2009 12:23 pm

Come on Folks someone out they must know a way of starting a campaign for us Housing Association Tenant's why should Council Tenant's get such a decrease and we get nothing

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Harry Lime

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23/03/2009 9:02 am

Erm, maybe because they're the govt and they can therefore influence the councils? Why should "you" get "something"?? I don't mean to necessarily start an argument, but it's like me demanding that Tesco's start charging me less for my shopping, or BP less for my petrol. Whilst the current circumstances have caused the rises to look out of whack with current levels of inflation etc, but this formula has been in the public domain for ages now. If the circumstances were turned on their head and inflation was 7% and your rise was 0.5% would you demand to pay more? I have to pay my mortgage, utilities, etc, etc - occasionally in life you pay more than you wish to for things, life isn't always fair!!

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Junior

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23/03/2009 9:23 am

Harry I think you ARE missing the point the point is that Council Housing Tenant's got a discount and Housing Association Tenant's got NO DISCOUNT and I aware that Government decision and I raise this with Peter Marsh of Tenant Service Authority so I well aware but we are all Social Tenant's whether Council or Housing Association to me you cannot give one a discount and they other nothing we all aware that Housing Association tenant's PAY OVER THE TOP HAS IT IS FOR RENTS AND SERVICE CHARGES WHEN SOME HOUSING ASSOCIATION VERY GOOD BUT SOME ARE AWFUL

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Harry Lime

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23/03/2009 9:38 am

Are we aware that Housing Association tenants (or social tenants in general) pay over the top? Do you really think that rents for social landlords and Housing Associations are too expensive? Compared to what? If that was the case surely people would be accessing cheaper, better housing elsewhere? I realise I'm coming accross as somewhat sarcastic here for effect, but I refer you back to my initial point - it's not always fair, I'd like to pay less for various things but life's not always fair - for RSL's to reduce their rents would impact on their decent homes and development programmes. Not always important for some residents, but vital to others, and prospective residents of the future. I know someone is going to thow in a comment about the billions going to the banks etc, but the answer to something isn't always the govt putting their hands in their pockets to bail people out if things get a little tough. I've got far less disposable income than I'd like, but sometimes you just have to get on with things.

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kass

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23/03/2009 10:58 am

the main, if not the only, reason council tenants demands of some truce on rent increases has been met is because they were more organized and they protested strongly about it... Social tenants are not organized to mount a similar protest and so they are not going to get any... Private tenants are not organized and they are not going to get any help either... It was a great and well earned victory for council tenants. May they go on and on to even greater victories. All tenants, whether social or private, should take example from them and organize themselves and demand a better deal and greater respects for tenants of any kind and everywhere.

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kass

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23/03/2009 11:00 am

CORRECTION: "Social tenants are not organized..." I meant housing associations tenants.

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Junior

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23/03/2009 5:05 pm

Again Harry I believe your missing the point whether you are in Council Housing or Housing Association Housing they are both a Social Landlord in the pass it was because you was on a low income that you was accepted on the Housing List my point the Government set these prices increases but only gave one section a discount in Social Housing. I'm not talking about other increases we all have to face that not the point the point is that the Government given one section of Social Housing A DISCOUNT and not the OTHER and please do not talking above the Decant Home Act because again what fool in Government decised on 20 and 30 yrs we do not have Oak Fitted Kitchen we lucky if we have MFI Kitchen's please come to Tower Hamlets and see how our Housing Association left Tenant's in Disrepair for over two years because Tower Hamlets let them take over Sheltering Homes and guess what we the Tenant's wasn't able to vote and we wasn't told that all Major Works and Refurnishment would be put on hold until all these Sheltering Homes bought up to standard under the Decant Homes Act. I had to call in the Environmental Health Officer to get satisfactory and I still awaiting for the Order of Work to be completed after NINE INSPECTIONS and NINE MONTHS LATER please do not get me on that subject we be here all day understand some of these Housing Association are beyond belief how they treat they Tenant's

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Harry Lime

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24/03/2009 8:25 am

I haven't misunderstood you Eva, my post still stands. Councils are under governmental control directly, Housing Associations are not. Whilst it's true to say the govt can influence how a Housing Association works it cannot expressly do so. Therefore Housing Associations are independent of the government and for the government to give them money in this manner to reduce the rents already agreed and levied would be market intervention. It would be like the governement giving the utilities £1bn to knock £10 of everyone's bills - in theory they could do it, but it's not the sort of thing they usually do.

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Junior

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24/03/2009 9:10 am

Well that not what Peter Marsh of the Tenant Authority Service told me and the rest of the Tenant's at the TSA Conference in London

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Sancho

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24/03/2009 10:30 am

As Harry says, the difference is that the Government effectively sets the rent for Council tenants so was able to mandate a discount as it was effectively only the Government that would lose out on income, and the good old taxpayer will pick up the bill.

The TSA has made it clear to RSLs that they do not have to levy the full rental increase. However, the RSLs have had to bear the costs of increasing inflation and will need to cover these costs so, in most cases, they will increase by the full amount. Given that inflation is zero today, the increases next year will be correspondingly lower so it's a case of swings and roundabouts.

Not robbery, just a case of trying to stay alive.

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Junior

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24/03/2009 11:37 am

Not it isn't its greed Housing Association not think about its Tenants has the Eastend Life wrote "The moves follows a letter from Tower Hamlets councillors and neighbouring boughts to housing minister Maragret Beckett urging her to "support or residents in these difficlt times" and calling for a reassessment of the inflation figre sed to set the government's rent guidencelines" Its about times Housing Association remember the Tenant's and how these increases affect its Tenant's well lets see how many go into Arrears becase of such a large increase and then we see the truth costs of the amont of cases going to court over Rent Arrears you cannot get blood of a stone because to me most of you no living in the real world and not thinking how such a large increase is affecting these TENANT'S IN HOUSING ASSOCIATION PROPERTY THESE ARE NORMALLY PEOPLE ON LIMITED INCOMES

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Harry Lime

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24/03/2009 11:45 am

People everywhere are on limited incomes - my disposable income after all outgoings are taken into account isn't particularly impressive, however as I don't have a child, I get no further assistance. the social tenants that you refer to as being on limited incomes would be eligible for either full or partial Housing Benefit and possibly other tax credits. If they're not eligible for this support they're probably on a similar income to me, and as such I haven't any sympathy!!

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Sancho

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24/03/2009 1:12 pm

I love it when people say RSLs are greedy....Why would they be greedy? They don't have any shareholders who get the money. It all goes into providing housing and can't go anywhere else. As I already said, the letter that went to Margaret Beckett asked for Councils not to be forced to charge the higher rent. RSLs also don't have to charge the higher rent, but don't have the taxpayer to bail them out if they go bust so, in most cases, need to charge the rent to cover their costs.

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Junior

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24/03/2009 4:52 pm


PURPOSE OF RENT RESTRUCTURING

•To reduce the difference between Council and RSL rents,
•To reduce the difference between the rents of different RSLs (including co-ops) in the same area.


Why should rents be similar?
•Because its fairer,
•People should pay similar rents for similar properties in the same area.


What are the downsides?
Tenants on lower rents will have to progressively pay more.


Why progressively?
Because RSLs have 10 years to achieve the new uniform rent levels from 2002 to 2012.


Why are Council rents cheaper than RSL rents?
•Council housing tends to be older whilst RSL properties tend to be relatively new,
•The level of grant ‘in the good old days’ was much higher than now so the rent has to be higher to compensate.


Why are RSL rents different for similar properties in the same area?
•Grant rates have varied a lot over recent years so more recent properties are more and more expensive,
•The level of grant is now often insufficient to build new properties and subsidies are required. RSLs with high reserves can provide higher subsidies, giving lower rents.

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Sancho

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24/03/2009 5:47 pm

Eva, you seem to have defeated your own argument.

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Junior

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24/03/2009 5:51 pm

Sancho what do you mean by that

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Sancho

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24/03/2009 6:27 pm

I mean you have just set out chapter and verse on why RSL rents are not the same as Council rents, that they will eventually converge and that RSLs need to charge a rent that covers their costs or subsidise them from their reserves (which are pretty much zero now) or face going bust.

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Junior

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24/03/2009 6:40 pm

PURPOSE OF RENT RESTRUCTURING WHY DO THEY WANT THIS THEN

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Sancho

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24/03/2009 6:49 pm

Because the old rent regimes for Councils and RSLs were different and people that moved into RSL homes thought they were being 'ripped off' whereas, in fact, the Council rent they were paying was effectively too low and unsustainable.

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Junior

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24/03/2009 6:59 pm

That's my point

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