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Relocation of RMV Contractor to own offices

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15/11/2010 2:49 pm

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Junior

Junior

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15/11/2010 3:20 pm

Well we have and due to have experts in the field near to Customer Service Team believe it was helping the Customer Service Team to get it right first time and so fore.

So people in the field help Customer Service Team ask the right questions so the Work Order Sheet reflecting in the Work Order Sheet.  I also felt being on one of the Focus Group's Customer Service Team not asking enought information and has the Contractor the more information i.e. window lock broken (but staff not asking the Tenant can they see a serial number of ditto)

What I didn't like couldn't get out of the CEO whether paying the Organation to use the facilities by way of the Main Contractor being situated now in our Head Office

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Afzal Shabir

Afzal Shabir

Location: Derby, East Midlands
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24/11/2010 1:09 am

Writing from experience, I can honestly say that overall, without taking the management of the arrangement into consideration, the disadvantages cancel out the advantages, and vice versa. 

Unless the process is managed effectively, in which case a client-averse contract can become beneficial to the client as well as the contractor, then it matters less, which option has more advantages than advantages. I suppose it is more a matter of risk management than it is project management, in that the mobilisation of the contract is merely a means to an end, which requires excellent project management skills and tools to be implemented. The management of the risks associated to such an arrangement become more important once the contractual obligations begin between the parties especially post mobilisation. 

Having a contractor located in-house would appear like a good idea theoretically, because the advantages could be any or all of the following:

Seamless delivery of RMV function

Improved lines of communication between parties.

Improved delivery times and KPIs such as Right first time, first time fix etc.

Information can be shared between parties more efficiently leading to improved customer satisfaction and a reduction in time taken to respond to complaints.

Improved ability to feed into Asset Management Databases, EDM and live systems, which would allow more reliable and more self audited information to form the bedrock of operational plans and strategies, going forward.  

Reduction in resources and savings in costs to mobilise, manage and deliver framework.

Giving the customers a more unified service, challenging the perception of ‘them and us’. 

Improved ability to identify, monitor and respond to the RMV contractor’s needs, throughout the term of the framework.

Improved ability to build trust and confidence with the contractor and thus, the customer.

Creating an environment where there is better understanding and harmony between the contractor, the client and its customers. This should ultimately lead to a more supportive and caring working environment rather than a hostile one where trust is limited because of the typical client perception of a contractor placing profits before customer needs and subsequent satisfaction.

However, the disadvantages could also be any or all of the following:

Limited resources may jeopardise the entire process which is why the feasibility to project manage such transitional change, needs to be appraised carefully by all stakeholders before implementing any contractual action.

Inability to interface information between stakeholders leading to delays in service provision and frustration within the teams.

Lack of provision from the client to accommodate the activities of the contractor which would affect service delivery such as regional stores, plant, human resources, indemnities, insurances, training, marketing and business development, to name a few.  

Conflicting priorities and objectives of the client and contractor may lead to a dilution of services, if not managed effectively.

A disjointed approach to data migration and management coupled with ineffective change controls and audit trails could lead to services being compromised and the contract being exploited by the contractor for individual gain. 

If the (intelligent) client has not up-skilled its own team to effectively work under such an arrangement, then the likelihood of conflict and a resistance to change, could increase.

Corporate governance and corporate liabilities could deter both parties from one another so it would be prudent to iron out the full impact of bringing an external service in-house e.g. Corporate Manslaughter Act, Corporate Social Responsibility etc.

Therefore, based upon the above advantages and disadvantages, I would assume it is safe to say that it is the management of the risks associated to the arrangement that require attention and elaboration, rather than the arrangement itself. The reasoning behind this rationale is that the arrangement to bring the RMV service in-house successfully is wholly dependent upon the ability of the stakeholders to manage the risks associated with the arrangement and emanating from it. 

I sincerely hope I have been able to do full justice to your question, but if you feel for whatever reason that I may have missed the point, then please do let me know. I am always looking for an opportunity to learn and develop further.

Kind Regards

Mr. Afzal Shabir BSc (Hons) MRICS  

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Mike Wilkins

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08/12/2010 12:11 pm

Dear Steve, I have no direct evidence one way or the other, but a priori it would seem a good idea. The risk is the cost of the move (if any, to you eg  lost office space ), outweighs any potential benefits in better communication etc. There may be  potential for 'merging' their repair reporting IT systems with yours, but beware the 'siren call' of a big IT project, many of which don't always deliver the expected benefits. You might want to think about a pilot scheme initially, and work up some objective  measures and PI's on resulting service improvment.

We run all maintenance through an in house maintenance team and this gives us good performance and saves on VAT, so you might think about the potential for going one (big) step further to a DLO.

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Umesh Natalia

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24/12/2010 3:00 pm

In my opinion, the advantages of the contractor being relocated inhouse, is greater than the disadvantages.

During the last 2 years, I have been leading on a 'Systems' Review of the Responsive Repairs Service, which has included for the responsive repairs contractor to be relocated alongside BHP's Responsive Repairs Team.

The benefits have included much greater transparency, and accountability, of the contractor's workforce, and processes, creating more effective communication, which is consequently leading to a much improved working relationship with the contractor, and a more efficient & better delivery of Service.

I am expecting the 'Systems' review to be ongoing, taking into consideration the much wider scope of service improvements required.   

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kass

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25/12/2010 4:40 pm

When you have contractors located in a social landlord head office what happens is a great camaraderie develops between the contractors and the landlords - which might well be a fine thing - but it leads to collusions and ganging up against tenants who complain.

All this talk of greater transparency if a contractors is located in head offices - in what way does it transpire to tenants?  And in what way the tenants have any power to control, check, and sack or sue when the system is abused?

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Anonymous

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30/12/2010 2:32 am

Happy christmas Kass

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Anonymous

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30/12/2010 2:27 pm

I am frequently amazed and ....amused occasionally - to see so many posts from Kass on every possible subject/topic - her (I guess?) expert insight and opinion has informed many a debate, annoyed alot of other contributors and wrecked the direction of many a string so as to render the useful comments 'useless' - lost in the plethora of confrontational drivel. What a pity. It is crap like that which gets chat and forums a bad name - please desist Kass. HNY :-)

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kass

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30/12/2010 4:12 pm

anonymous 30/12/10 2:32 pm

it must be very nice for you to be offensive and call yourself anonymous.

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Mel Finucane

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Location: West London
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31/12/2010 9:39 am

If you were a bit less offensive and aggressive yourself Kass, people would probably take you more seriously? You have said lots of interesting things on a range of topics I notice but they get overshadowed by the way you seem to bite the head off anyone who comments back? I certainly do not intend to offend you - however I, like anon 2.27 I guess, do find it rather annoying when threads go off subject because of slanging matches?

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kass

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31/12/2010 11:35 am

mel finucane 9:39 am

You certainly come across as a complete hypocrite.  Coming here, saying nothing about the issue of this thread, saying nothing were I have been offensive to you or anybody else and supporting someone who like you has come to this thread for no reason than to attack me.

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Mel Finucane

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08/01/2011 5:33 pm

Kass - how do you know who any of the anons are? - there are plenty of posts from people who don't reveal their identity for whatever reason.

Anyway, I commented on the post not with the intention to offend you, but having  observed (how could anyone not who reads these articles and threads regularly)how you do rather 'go into one' and plunge headlong off the theme in an often quite confrontational manner, I was struck but the irritation expressed by this contributor - close to my own erstwhile unexpressed view!

No you have not actually insulted me before tho I am not sure why you call me a hypocrite ? One does not have to project an insult directly at someone for other people who observe it to find it offensive or inappropriate. To be honest I have thought that a considerable amount of what I have seen you say about things I happen to follow on this site and am genuinely interested in discussing professionally, across a lot of different the topics, and your responses to others who have engaged in well intentioned interaction with you, have been variously rude, opinionated, ill informed, naive, raving and on occasions damned silly.....

Previously I complimented you actually and went out of my way not to be offensive to you. You do clearly have a great deal of insight into the plight of social tenants but I am afraid that your aggressive and 'victim like' reactions will inevitably overshadow most people's consideration of the worth of your contribution - which is why so many other people, including anon 2.27 appear to suggest that you to ...    ermmm..... do it somewhere else?

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kass

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09/01/2011 1:03 pm

mel finucane 08/01/2011 5:33 pm

I can see that our contribution to this thread is to keep on insulting me. 

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Anonymous

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09/01/2011 1:34 pm

Kass - I really suggest you read the post again - it only reflects what I would say I signifcant number of posters think, and if you were to listen sometimes your resulting posts would probably have more credence.

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Junior

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09/01/2011 3:43 pm

Again I politely remind people to stop have a dig at people we are all human and entitled to our option.

Whether we are up to your level or not respect each others option have stop being negative.  Nor  no one will want to give a option.

Remember what you saying could be hurt fallen.

Please allow people they option and whom ever ask for advise or help or understanding what is being ask you help no more no less

Please stop having a dig and stop being negative toward people

Please again consider the person feelings.  I have learning difficults and I may not always put myself across in the best light.

I would say you do not know whether I have health issues (not that I have) but you never know but having a dig at people you never know whether your dig's will make matters worse.

Please consider the person feelings with the greatest respect

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kass

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09/01/2011 5:41 pm

Can you believe it, all these anonymous and various other posters, coming into threads just to insult me.

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Anonymous

Anonymous

10/01/2011 6:01 pm

Junior, Kass anyone else who thinks this is about digs and insults - just read Mel's posts with less anger and resentment in your hearts!

She appears, like me to want contributors comments to be taken seriously and for threads to provide sensible commentary on the question or subject being discussed. We all know that good, informed and interesting threads just become comic strips when littered with aggressive and often irrelevant posts - if you are not on topic why bother to contribute?

Kass you do become aggressive and rude sometimes, resist good advice and answer questions with questions constantly. She is clearly not the only on fed up with it and others have told you before.

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kass

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10/01/2011 7:35 pm

Yet again more insults from another anonymous 10/01/2011 6:01 who comes to this thread with no other purpose to have a go at me.

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The Democratic Dictator

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11/01/2011 6:37 pm

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kass

kass

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11/01/2011 9:31 pm

Pakistaini Gentleman 6:37 pm

I am always glad for people challenging my views.  But how come you have supposedly read the posts and not noticed that this is not what I am complaining about.  I am complaining about people coming into threads with not other issue but with the purpose of insulting me... By the way, whath exactlyis your point of coming into this thread saying nothing whatsoever about the issued of this thread?  Just to give me a piece of advice with your profound wisdom? 

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kass

kass

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11/01/2011 9:34 pm

I should have said Pakistini Englisman

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