Chris - I have plenty of ability to see "alternatives" - if you would offer one instead of just talking in generalisations all the time.
I have not talked about ghettos of poverty, so why are you seemingly attacking me over that concept when I have said nothing about it?
What is the difference between "benefits dependency" as you put it and being "trapped" in social housing and unable to move anywhere else because of the cost of market housing? The person's situation would not change one jot by charging market rent for his housing and providing the balance over the previous social rent level to him in housing benefit.
The advantage of charging market rent for social housing would be that those who have sufficient means to afford market housing would be paying more toward helping those who are still waiting for social housing. On the basis that they can afford the rent, what would you have against them being expected to pay the same as everyone else living in open market housing has to?
Your comment about "more able neighbours" providing good examples for others would be REINFORCED by my proposal - because social housing would be a normal part of the housing market, charged at normal prices, and would no longer be the depository for the dregs of society which is what some "sink estates" became.
There would be no social stigma associated with living in social housing, because living in it would not of itself indicate low income or benefits dependency. The eligibility of any householder for income support and housing benefits would be an entirely private matter, not implied by their choice of housing.
I don't use circular arguments. I do repeat myself, however, when you persist in bleating about the 2 million homes that have been sold through RTB as if they have any significant impact whatsoever on the ability of the social housing stock to satisfy newly arising need.
You have never addressed the points that I have made on this subject, basically because you cannot argue against them. You just seem to take an opposing, unrealistic view because logic and objectivity do not appear to play any part in your thinking.