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09/04/2011 7:29 pm

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09/04/2011 11:48 pm

Hi, I take it that the tenancy is secure as it was your mothers. As the name secure would suggest this is the most secure tenancy type one could have.

Technically your landlord can request you pay the arrears can as you have succeeded the original tenancy.

In practice the Landlord would find it VERY difficult to obtain a possession order from any judge based purely on arrears that have been inherited via succession. When considering granting an order the judge will consider if the Landlord is behaving reasonable, so the question he'll ask is "is it reasonable to evict YOU based on your mothers arrears?". Generally the answer is no. However this could be further complicated if you have added to these arrears since succeeding the tenancy or if the Landlord already has a suspended possession order.

Whatever the case you should seek legal advice as based on the information provided it's not really possible to give a decent answer.

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kylie line

kylie line

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10/04/2011 9:45 am

yes it is a secure tenancy. i have already received the eviction notice from the bailiffs. it has been to court already as it was a suspended possession order for when my mother had it. i havent added to the arrears my rent has been paid on time evry month. my mothers name is still on the tenancy they havent changed that, and im still recieving letters from the court for my mother, which is really confusing, as they know she has passed away, im going to see some advice from the citzens advice, because they have only give me 3 weeks to move out, so in that time i have got too try and find somewhere to live for me and m 3 kids. as its a housing association they have told me that i would not get rehoused from the local authority because its an eviction, but. on top off that i have to pay my mothers court costs aswell, which i think is not right as i was not the one that had to go to court.

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Anonymous

Anonymous

10/04/2011 12:21 pm

It sounds as though you playing your part, ie keeping up with rent post succcession. You should almost certainly make an application to suspend the warrant at court asap! Once you have made an application there will be a hearing at court.

Has the HA already acknowledged you have succeeded the tenancy via letter or just verbally? If not you will have to show the judge you had the right to succeed. There will probably be one of the following 3 outcomes;

a - Judge agrees to suspend the warrant on terms of rent + whatever he considers you can afford per week (min. £3.30 a week)

b - Judge strikes out original possession order as he feels it is unreasonable for you to pay your mothers arrears

c - Judge gives warrant date and refuses to suspend. (Unlikely considering you have children in the property and it's not a particularly reasonable solution)

In relation to the advice your HA have given about the Local Authority not rehousing you due to arrears, this is POOR advice. I'd consider making a formal complaint about someone giving me this advice! It'd be fair point if you were being evicted for severe ASB but not for a situtation such as yours.

Don't forget courts are impartial and fair so don't worry.

All the best.

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marty21

marty21

Posts: 15

12/04/2011 1:56 pm

They can insist on you paying off the arrears in order to succeed to the tenancy, they can however, write the arrears off as well. You should apply for a stay hearing  - the above post is what could happen.

Also you were wrongly advised about the local authority - technically you are not the tenant as the tenancy remains in your mother's name - so you are not intentionally homeless. I'd make a complaint about that advice you were given, sounds like scare tactics by the Housing Officer.

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WATT WATT

WATT WATT

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12/04/2011 3:38 pm

Kylie

Who has given you 3 weeks to move out with 3 children on board?

The court? No? - if it's the Housing Association, do not move out under any circumstances. Keep paying your rent, seek further advice and keep this thread updated.

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kylie line

kylie line

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14/04/2011 2:09 pm

i have already applied to the court to suspend the eviction. i have it in writing the i have sucsessfully succseeded the tenancy. the HA have said that i have signed the agreement that states i have to take on the debt, under the terms and conditions off the succsession. i cant remember doing this, as when we signed the paperwork, id only just lost my mother so my head was all over the place, so i might have done so. its the court that have give me the eviction as it was delieverd by the bailiffs. i went to my local council on monday and they said they will ring the HA and arrange to pay some off the arrears of too stop the eviction. but i received a letter delieverd by hand by my housing officer from the HA, and it still says im getting evicted, im running out off time now as i have only got under two weeks. im trying everything i can to stop it. but i think iw ill run out off time, the council have said that they will rehouse me if the hA declines the offer off paying off some off the arrears. which is a good thing, so i know im gonna have somewhere else to live.

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WATT WATT

WATT WATT

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15/04/2011 10:43 am

he HA have said that i have signed the agreement that states i have to take on the debt, under the terms and conditions off the succsession.

Have you asked them for copy of this document?

Courts are not the only organisation to have bailiffs deliver for them - is it an eviction notice or actual possession?

Regardless of the council saying they will re-house you, I doubt another tenancy would be immediate - probably temporary housing first of all.

Only seek alternate housing if that's what you want - if you want to remain in your current HA home then that is what you should aim for.

Also, if you move out, any new tenancy agreement may not be as secure as your current one. Do give this some thought.

Have you contacted Citizens Advice / Shelter?

Ask the HA whether council have contacted them (Monday). Keep chasing the council, everyday if needbe.

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Anonymous

Anonymous

15/04/2011 1:48 pm

Get down to your local Legal Aid provider and get some specialist advice as you have legal proceedings coming up. Suspending a warrant is not as simple as just making the application. Do not think that the Court will necessarily know and be up to date with the full law on succession and how this may affect you actual situation.

Good luck with it.

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Sidney Webb

Sidney Webb

Location: South East England
Posts: 224

15/04/2011 4:53 pm

Legal Aid?? - It's been cut, you need to get down the bank and plead for a loan before you can go down the court and plead for the bench.

Yes - legal advice and representation is an excellent idea (which is probably why the Tories are so intent on preventing access to it!)

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Anonymous

Anonymous

16/04/2011 9:50 pm

Just a note...........Succession is an automatic process. You DONT sign anything for it to happen. I'm curious to know why your HA have asked you to sign something. You should check out what they asked you to sign.

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Peter Wicks

Peter Wicks

Posts: 29

17/04/2011 6:14 am

Justice is for those who can afford to pay for it ............

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Anonymous

Anonymous

18/04/2011 9:00 am

Legal help and legal aid are alive and well and there are housing law providers in most areas. If this will remain the status quo remains to be seen pending teh outcome of consultation (we all know what that means).

Anonymous is right succession is automatic and occurs upon the death of the tenant. You do not have to sign anything and Landlords cannot contract or opt out of it.

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Sidney Webb

Sidney Webb

Location: South East England
Posts: 224

18/04/2011 10:19 am

Partly correct nonny - legal aid qualification and legal aid scope has been successively reduced year-on-year for over a generation. Most people have not objected to this cut, until they have needed access to the law. The funding for adivsory services across the country has been cut already, with more cuts to follow, drastically reducing peoples' access to the law. The forthcoming removal of further legal aid scope will make challenging the actions of your provate landlord, for instance, dependent upon your ability to either represent yourself in court or pay for someone to do so. This is already the position in employment tribunals, where workers' access to the law has become so resticted as to be practically non-existant except in the extreme cases of abuse, and the simple to prove discrimination.

Trusting to the outcome of consultation is about as safe as trusting the banks to work in your interests.

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Abimbola  Badejo

Abimbola Badejo

Posts: 101

21/04/2011 10:41 am

There is clear case law that says that where a secure succeeds to a tenancy, that tenant is only liable for the arrears of rent accruing from the date of the succession. You therefore start with a clean slate and you are not liable for the arrears owed by your mother. You should fight the claim and go and see housing expert housing solicitors. If the possession order was based purely on the rent owed by your mother then you should immediately apply to the court to have the order set aside. Act fast and good luck. In my view you stand very good prospects of success.

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Adrian Waite

Adrian Waite

Posts: 25

21/04/2011 4:37 pm

In most cases where a tenant passes away and a relative succeeds to the tenancy, the new tenant would not be liable for any rent arrears. However, if the landlord already has a court order they can seek to recover the arrears from the new tenant so I assume this must be the case here. If this is the case the only thing that I can suggest is that the tenant talks to their landlord and tries to come to some arrangement.

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