The World Cup
26/05/2010 2:45 pm
Who will you be supporting in next month’s World Cup? Inside Housing is looking for housing organisations which will be supporting teams other than England in the tournament.
Perhaps your organisation has links to a particular country, houses a lot of people from overseas or has links to a player in a particular team. Whatever the reason for your support, we want to hear from you. Your story may be featured in a special feature in Inside Housing next month.
If you'd like to take part, either respond here, or email me direct using the contact details in my profile.
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02/06/2010 10:19 am
OK, so housing appears to be a sector of patriots (although assuming many of the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh among you aren't going to be supporting England...). In which case, Inside Housing is keen to hear from housing's keenest England supporters. Are you mad for the boys in white and red? What will you be doing to support them in the World Cup? Either post your No 1 England Fan credentials here, or email email@example.com .
02/06/2010 11:29 am
Quite simple for me - there's only one team that will get my unquestioning support, and that's whoever France happen to be playing - blooming hand of frog.......!!
04/06/2010 1:28 pm
To the editor/moderator
You've removed the post of "Harry Lime", which as I recall contained a childish gibe against the French (not in themselves an oppressed, excluded or vulnerable minority). Yet you continue to leave in place the relentless hate-mongering rants against immigrants, Somalis, Muslims, teenage parents etc. perpetrated by ILAG and others.
I think you need to have a long hard think about how you conduct these forums, and what values you want Inside Housing to stand for.
04/06/2010 2:07 pm
I haved seen many posts removed. While there might be all sorts of reasons for removing them, some maybe some maybe not so good, the point is why should anyone spent time and energy to post anything if it is then going to be removed? And why would someone post in repsonse to an orignal post if the orignal post is then removed?
Whatever it's faults, the principle that once published a post would not be removed seemed to me to be by far the best policy.
Inside Housing fora and commentaries should not promote values, it should promote and encourage discussions about values.
04/06/2010 3:03 pm
Oh dear, I should know better, but...
Kass: "I haved (sic) seen many posts removed..."; maybe, but I'm not writing about them. I'm writing about this particular one, and the peculiar values involved in removing it.
"The point is why should anyone spend time and energy...". No it isn't. The primary function of these forums is to advance understanding of social housing, not provide gratification for participants.
"Once published ... a post would not be removed" - I agree (within obvious legal limits), but that's not the point I was making. I was pointing to the curious scale of values that removes a mildly xenophobic gibe yet leaves in place much more vicious hate-mongering racism. Do you not agree that this is distorted, or is it that you actually support ILAG's anti-immigration agenda?
"Inside Housing fora (sic) and commentaries should not promote values....". What? Not even the value of freedom of speech and open discussion? And my expression was "stand for", not "promote". In making editorial decisions, you cannot help but make value judgements, and in doing so, you "stand for" them.
04/06/2010 4:42 pm
Which all begs the question what is acceptable or not?
Is it ok to recall the Sun's notorious headline of "Kill an Argie and win a Mini Metro" and amend to this "World Cup" thread?
Or even quote De Gaulle when he stated there is no room in the farmyard for more than one cock? (i didnt see Harry Lime's removed post but if the French President can deride the English????)
I am of course just recalling what others have said here and (in)famously said. That way holds no slander or defamation cases from being taken against me, who like John posts under their own name. Perhaps that is why Harry Limes post has been removed as we can assume that Harry Lime is a pseudonym (and shouldnt the Third Man comment only on cricket?)
Yet following that principle the ILAGs (who openly refuses to state who he is) does write very racist comments on here along with the "John Bull's" of this world post such comments and are not removed.
Level playing field either way would suit and in my view even these views I call racist here, and however despicable they may be, are freedoms of speech however misguided. Makes the post of Harry Lime being removed as highly selective and hypocritical in the extreme
05/06/2010 9:37 am
Thanks to those who have posted, for those not aware, my post referred to Thierry Henry's actions in blatantly handballing in the playoff against Ireland. I quoted the oft used headline "the hand of (insert amphibian here)" I was very surprised to see it removed and e mailed the editor, but Tom is off on leave, so haven't had a response. I'm hoping that in Tom's absence, any post that someone "reports" is removed as a default, and on his return it will be re-established. As mentioned before, the reason I use a Pseudonym is because my views do not reflect those necessarily of my employer and could be professionally embarassing, and secondly it would reflect the amount of time spent online in work hours!
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07/06/2010 9:59 am
Thanks for the clarification Harry. I think the moderation may have been a bit over zealous here, so I've put the post back.
07/06/2010 12:17 pm
The French are not to blame for winning theri place against Ireland the way they did. Any football team tries to win games, especially important ones, even by cheating, like diving for a penalty, etc.
FIFA is to blame. The should have anulled the game and have it replayed. It is a shame they did not do so in the face of such a clear evidence. While I will not be supporting France either, it would be very funny and extremely interesting to see them win the cup - so that maybe some FIFA heads would roll for allowing a blatant cheater to get the biggest prize.
10/06/2010 2:56 pm
Was it really The Sun who said "Kill an Argie and win a Mini Metro", I thought that was a Private Eye spoof on The Sun?
10/06/2010 10:05 pm
The Argentines have got the best the players this time round to win the world cup... But with a loose cannon as Maradonna as coach - saying in the media he will run naked in the centre of Buenos #Aires if Argentina wins the cup - they will be lucky to get to the quarters, which is a rel shame for all the talent they have. Maybe, like the English FA they the Argentine should have the courage to get a foreign coach... Maybe after Capello wins the cup with England, they would be adviced to approach him... although moving to Argentina is defintely not a dream ticket for a coach based in Europe - unless the contract nears something like a hundred million, of course.
14/06/2010 3:55 pm
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28/06/2010 3:32 pm
Right the post mortem, now...
Is England exit from the world cup a national shame?
No, it's not. The time when England could take for granted beating new footballing nations on the world stage is gone. Now, with circulation of talent - with players of a rival team playing in your own nation and viceversa, there's no such thing anymore. When Ghana, Brasil, Algeria, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, etc. can afford to have most national players playing abroad and even Rich league clubs play without even a single national in starting line ups, any country is as good as the form of their current footballers available. This great leveller will become even more so in future competitions...
so we got to learn that while we in theory could beat anyone, anyone in theory can beat us.
Who is to blame for england early exit, Capello the manager or the quality of the English players? english players did not come alive in this tournmant. This is a manager's fault, to find ways of getting his players to play at the top. However, the players have got to respond.
I think the decisive solution to where the fault lies is putting the question this way: If the current German manager had been the manager of the English team, would have they beaten Germany if the German team had been managed by Capello?
No, the English team would still have lost. No matter who was their manager, the German team would have won. So, at the end of the day, when all is accounted for, it's the performance of the players on the pitch that gives that ratio of difference for a victory. and in this particular wc edition, the germans where the better team and no manager (english, german, or SWEDISH, etc) would have changed the outcome.
14/07/2010 2:10 pm
Frankly, I was genuinely neutral. What bugged me the most though was tha assumption that as a non English resident of these islands I was being disloyal if I did not ACTIVELY support England. Same thing Andy Murray faces.
When England play I neither want them to win or get annihilated. If they are the better team then good luck to them. But I would no more actively support them than, say, I would support Belgium, and neither I nor Andy Murray, or any other non english resident of these islands, should be patronised in to being obliged to support England.
14/07/2010 3:02 pm
there are many happy Scottish, Irish and Welsh residents in England - who do not support England - why should we England supporter need your support anyway? Please stay away and support the country of your choice.
14/07/2010 3:12 pm
Not for the first time you miss the point entirely. It isn't about Scottish, Irish and Welsh residents in England, who do not support England, having it demanded that they support England.
This absolutely happens, and the broadcast media across these islands quite clearly shows it. Those of us outside England are subject to it through the apparently unbiased british media.
You ask "why should we England supporter need your support anyway?" Quite. Doesn't stop many of you (and I lived in England for many years so speak with direct experience) demanding it and your media too. Probably the old colonial Britain/England are the same thing issue.
I don't care, I am neutral. Good luck to England if they are the better team as I said, but if you accept that I would not expect the Belgian media or people to demand my allegiance, then you will accept that I do not want nor expect English people and the media to demand my allegiance, which your media and many of your fellow countrymen rather arrogantly do.
Ask Andy Murray, Gordon Browm, Bliar, any non English resident of these islands. You might need to take off your red rose tinted glasses first though.
14/07/2010 3:36 pm
All right, everywhere around england people are pressuring you to support our team - you do not seem to have enough brain to realise that if you are in Belgium at the time of a great football event you very easily will get the same football fever.
However I have not read of anyone on this website pressurizing you in supporting england, far from it please stay well away from the English national team as we have enough problems there already, and any support from you would defintiely end your chances to qualify for the nbext european championship.
14/07/2010 4:12 pm
Again Kass misses the point. I Like England. Lived there for years. Tons of English friends. English relatives. Sound people. Mostly
You can deny it all you like Kass, but when Andy Murray is roundly criticised in the media for saying he won't be supporting England, and why should he because he is not English - there is a problem. He was effectively accused of disloyalty. Thats why I made the Belgium comparison - because for him or other non English residents of these islands it makes no more sense for us to support England than Belgium - they are both foreign countries, so what ?
Yes it is media hype - no Kass, maybe you are immune and don't act like this - fact is that plenty of English people DO think Scots, Irish and Welsh should support them just because we share a group of islands. Certainly the media does. Shamefully, even some Scots (Gordon Brown, Bliar, Alistair Darling amongst many) even go so far as to change their accent in order to fit in, precisely because of this kind of "if you're not one of us you must support us" rubbish, hence the ignomy of Mr Brown claiming his favourite goal was Gazza for England AGAINST Scotland..... my goodness. Imagine Cameron saying his favourite goal was the last German to score to put England out of a major tournament ?
If you can't see that all the above happens, is patronising, and shameful to the media of England and a minority of English people (the point I originally made) then shame on you and enjoy the view, not just from behind your red rose tinted glasses, but from behind your blinkers.
14/07/2010 4:49 pm
I know and I have met many Socts, Irish and Welsh people, both in england and in their own countries in all walks of life, some friendly some not so friendly. Not a single one of them ever complained about being pressurized in supporting england. the media of any country bang their own nationalist drums for their national team, involving as many personalities and scandals as they can.
To say that this happens only in england is total rubbish.
14/07/2010 5:12 pm
I most certainly did not say that. How very interesting that with people such as Harry Lime you accuse them of spin and deliberate misinterpretation, when that is precisely what you are doing here.
Everyone knows that Murray got grief for saying he wouldn't support England. Even you do, Kass. The fact is, if you say you are not supporting England you are seen by some and portrayed by many as anti English rather than, correctly, neutral. I think you know that full well and are just being mischevious, otherwise you really are dangerously low in the intelligence stakes.
This is not about the media of any country banging their own nationalist drums for their national team, involving as many personalities and scandals as they can, it is about an apparently british media (BBC as well who are supposed to be impartial) pandering to reporting this nonsense and in fact actively encouraging it.
Kass, if you limited your posts from now on to what you actually know about, and don't deny the evidence, it would be a real public service. That would, sadly (or in fact, not at all sadly) reduce your future posts to zero, but it would be greatly appreciated by many.