12/01/2011 10:25 am
While I was out yesterday my neighbour refused to allow the window cleaner to place his ladders on the lawn in front of her ground floor flat saying that he was ruining her lawn. He has been cleaning my windows for over a year with no complaints. This is not the first time that this neighbour has tried to make trouble for me! Does she have the right to do this? I have the housing manager coming to see us on Monday and my sense of humour is just about hanging on by a thread! I live on the first floor, there are no further flats above me.
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12/01/2011 10:35 am
If the tenant has the sole use of the lawn in her tenancy she has all the right not to let anyone enbter her proprty. If the lawn is on communal ground then yes you have a case. So the first thing for you to do is to check with your housing association whether this lawn is private or communal or anything else.
12/01/2011 10:41 am
My gas meter is on the wall in her garden. The lawns all along the road are placed like mine and there seems to be no problem with the window cleaning in any other block, front or back.
12/01/2011 10:53 am
You are saying "her" garden, if it is hers there is nothing you can do. The reading of the gas is a different matter and is not comparable to you having a window cleaner. The gas is a different matter because either she took the property with the meter already being there or she has never complained about it. The gas reader problem is a problem between her and the Housing association, not with you. The window cleaner is a problem between you and her.
12/01/2011 11:10 am
I say her's because she says that it is hers. She has a private garden area at the back of the flats as do I.
12/01/2011 11:34 am
Sandy, the best course of action, rather than exchange posts with someone here who is only giving their opinion rather than actually knowing the circumstances, would be:
Ask your landlord to clarify the access rights and tenancy conditions of the land to the front (where your cleaner puts their ladder) if you have shared access then you can carry on allowing your cleaner to clean your windows, if it is designated for sole use of the ground floor flat, then unless you can reach an amicable solution with your neighbour they can refuse to allow your cleaner onto the land. (FYI gas meters have a right of access to them so it is not a issue of her Vs landlord)
a clue would be where is your entrance? if it is via the front, you may have a "right of access" which could be argued to include access for maintenance and upkeep (cleaning of windows)
Bottom line, wait until monday to see what the Housing Manager has to say, but perhaps send them an e-mail or phone call to mention you would like this clarified at the time.
12/01/2011 11:46 am
billl douses 11:34
why is is you keep insulting me? You just lied on the pet post and now come here to insult me again for expressing my opinion. What is is yours then but an opinion?
12/01/2011 12:42 pm
Sorry Kass, where do i insult you personally? i make no reference to anyone in particular in my post.
Opinion is great, and i defend anyones right to have one, doesnt mean i have to listen to it and have the same right to my opinion that yours (or that stated) is crap. fair?
the pet post is completely seperate to this issue, therfore has no relevance to the OP, but for the record, i did not lie. you cannot grasp the difference between Law and terms of a contract enforceable by law - not my problem you dont get it.
allow me to break my post down for you:
if you have shared access then you can carry on allowing your cleaner to clean your windows - this is a fact, not opinion.
if it is designated for sole use of the ground floor flat, then unless you can reach an amicable solution with your neighbour they can refuse to allow your cleaner onto the land - this is fact, not opinion.
where is your entrance? if it is via the front, you may have a "right of access" which could be argued to include access for maintenance and upkeep (cleaning of windows) - again, you see where this is going, this is fact, not opinion.
I'm sorry you think im insulting you. just because i disagree with your opinion and compare it to fact, not fiction, fact. and these facts arent what you like to hear or believe does not mean i am insulting you.
then again, i could just call you a liar if i disagree with what you say.
12/01/2011 12:42 pm
Sandy, I live in a ground floor flat with my own front and rear garden solely for my use much like your neighbour. I am required to give reasonable access for my neighbour to get her windows cleaned. I unpadlock my back gate on the day that they are due.
Flats with private gardens always have to provide reasonable access in my experience. I dealt with a number of disputes where access was the issue in my Housing days and had to tell the downstairs neighbour that they were obligated to provide access so I am afraid I disagree with Kass. As Bill points out your Housing Manager will be able to onfirm this.
12/01/2011 3:48 pm
Thank you for your helpful comments, Bill. The access is at the front of the flats. I have had lots of problems with this neighbour and her family hence the visit from the housing officer.
Many thanks for your post, Paula. I did think that this was the case but I refuse to get into an arguement with her.
Roll on Monday when hopefully I will get things sorted...well, until the next round of unpleasantness :)
12/01/2011 4:37 pm
For all I know reasonable access to a private garden has to be given to the landlord and its agents only not to other tenants. But I would very much welcome more opinions on this topic from those who have maybe had a legal dispute on the subject.
14/01/2011 7:37 am
you just don't give up do you..... feeling or believing you have been insulted because your opinion, and hence the advice you give based on that, is corrected by someone who clearly knows better, is not a insult. We wish that you would stop being such a victim because it dilutes any value in your contribution and devalues these forums as a place for sensible discussion about housing matters...
14/01/2011 1:37 pm
"these forums as a place for sensible discussion about housing matters..."
Are they? I thought they were merely opportunities to landlord bash!!
I am constantly upset by serious posters who pose serious questions and seek serious answers only to see people (who shall remain nameless) offer uneducated and ill-informed opinions under the guise of being in reciept of poor quality housing.
If these people hate their landlords so much why don't they just move into the Private Rented Sector - oh wait, the landlords won't have them!
End of rant
14/01/2011 2:13 pm
The clue to the purpose of the forum is given in it's title - "Advice/Ask the Experts."
I started using the forum to try and help tenants and colleagues by sharing my 20+ years experience in Housing but I am already becoming disillusioned by the attitude of a small number of posters.
If someone asks a question and you don't have a clue about the solution please don't post. It just isn't helpful.
If you can suggest a solution lets get together on here to debate it and come up with the best answer.
To the small minority who like to use this forum to complain or just moan about their landlord or each other I would like to offer a suggestion.
Before you post ask yourself these questions,
1) Is it advice,
2) Will it help anyone,
3) Could I be considered an expert.
Where the answer is no to all these questions please just post elsewhere.
As Ghandi might have said if they had blogs and forums in his day, "Post only if it improves upon the silence."
14/01/2011 2:42 pm
While not helping the topic, I wholewheartedly agree with JamesD about the quality of discussion in these forum topics and the perception it gives to anyone looking in on the housing world and seeing the vitriole that is posted against individuals.
I'm a housing practioner of 20 years plus (I daren't call myself a professional in here for fear of being attacked), 10 years experience of which with a well-regarded association, and I too despair at the window this forum gives people looking at our sector.
One asks is there any other (seemingly unedited) sector forum that allows unfettered, sometimes misleading and potentially libellous catfights?