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Grenfell Inquiry day 17: firefighters describe problems with lifts and access to building

Day 17 heard more evidence from firefighters, one of whom described nearly dying after trying to rescue a young girl.

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Firefighter Brien O'Keefe gives evidence
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Grenfell Inquiry day 17: firefighters describe problems with lifts and access to building

Key points

  • A firefighter built on yesterday’s testimony about the failed fire lift, which nearly proved fatal for him and his colleagues.
  • He also described the confusion when firefighters inside the tower thought the fire was out, while officers who could see the blaze outside were urgently calling extra fire engines.
  • The second watch manager at the scene was quizzed on access to the tower.

The morning saw more evidence from crew manager Christopher Secrett regarding the consequences of the tower’s fire lift failure discussed yesterday, one of which was a near fatal, failed attempt at rescuing a 12-year-old girl from floor 20.

He said he and two other firefighters tried to use the civilian lift to get there, but it stopped and opened “unexpectedly” en route, immediately filling with thick black smoke.

Someone must have called it, he said – impossible with a functioning fire lift. Subsequently, the firefighters had to use the stairwell for the rest of their fruitless mission, described in detail by firefighter David Badillo last week.

Mr Secrett then recalled thinking he was going to die in the stairwell returning down from floor 20. He was dangerously low on air and the temperature had risen to a level which was “nothing I’ve ever experienced before”.

In his statement, he described crawling into a corner because he “did not want to be in anyone else’s way” if he died. “I tried to get my phone out of my pocket to text my mum but I couldn’t get the phone out,” he wrote.

“I was very doubtful that I was going to get out at all,” he told the inquiry. Fortunately, colleague Chris Dorgu caught up with him and helped him down to safety.

“There was no way myself or anyone else could have come down that staircase and survived without breathing apparatus at that time,” he said.

Mr Secrett also told the inquiry of his confusion earlier that night when he received contradictory messages from colleagues inside and outside the tower. Between 1am and 1.30am, a team of firefighters inside said they had put out the fire in flat 16, from which the blaze originated.

But shortly after, he received a message from his watch manager outside, Mike Dowden, that he “was going to make pumps eight”, or call extra fire crews to the scene until there were eight fire engines, because the flames were “going up the building pretty bad now,” he said.

“I was questioning Mike because in my mind it was really confusing about what was going on,” he said. “It was a bit of a surreal situation.”

In the afternoon, Brien O’Keefe, the second watch manager at the scene after Mike Dowden, spoke about two previous visits to the tower, when firefighters could not easily enter the building because of a key fob entry system.

On one occasion firefighters could only enter “when a resident let them in”.

It is not unusual for the fire brigade to be called to a building which they can’t enter easily, he said. It does hold firefighters up and “it can be a problem, yes,” he admitted, but usually they would just break the door open.

It was established in previous testimonies that there was a small delay gaining access to the tower on the night of the fire because of the key fob entry system.

Mr O’Keefe also said the road to Grenfell Tower was a narrow winding space and they had difficulty getting the fire engines down there. He said: “I would say it was poor access.”

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry

Closing statements

 

Day 85: victims' lawyers attack the fire brigade

 

Further expert evidence

Including some additional evidence from emergency call handlers, bereaved and relatives

 

Day 84: further evidence from survivors and relatives

Day 83: swift evacuation of tower possible if residents alerted

Day 82: initial fire was extinguished but then returned to the flat

Day 81: overheating fridge-freezer most likely cause of fire

Day 80: fire doors installed did not match product tested

Day 79: resident advised to stay put despite fire in flat

Day 78: insulation and cladding material below required standard

Day 77: molten plastic spread blaze down tower

Day 76: 'stay put' should be dropped when fire spreads across floors

 

Other witness evidence

Police, ambulance, gas suppliers, council, TMO and call room operators give evidence

 

Day 75: call room operators give evidence

Day 74: further evidence from TMO officers

Day 73: TMO boss failed to pass information to firefighters

Day 72: fire finally extinguished when gas switched off

Day 71: further questions over stay put advice

Day 70: the police evidence

 

The bereaved, survivors and relatives’ evidence

 

Day 69: video shows smoke billowing through fire door

Day 68: KCTMO removed self closing mechanism and never replaced it

Day 67: gaps in cladding fixed with duct tape

Day 66: 'don't fix broken system with a sticking plaster'

Day 65: survivor dragged disabled man down nine floors to safety

Day 64: KCTMO 'did not replace broken fire door'

Day 63: foam insulation inside cladding 'exposed' says survivor

Day 62: father gives harrowing account of son's death

Day 61: council’s management organisation slammed for faulty electrics

Day 60: stay put advice ‘led to deaths’, residents say

Day 59: residents describe problems with new windows

Day 58: survivor describes how daughter saved his life

Day 57: firefighter evidence ‘a slap in the face’, says survivor

Day 56: relations with contractor were ‘toxic’

Day 55: resident 'never happy' with stay-put advice

Day 54: tenant gives evidence about housing association

Day 53: stay put advice 'felt like trap'

Day 52: resident saved by son's phone call

 

The firefighters’ evidence

 

Day 51: firefighter feared encouraging residents to jump

Day 50: the LFB commissioner

Day 49: fire chief reveals frustration over lack of building plans

Day 48: internal fire spread 'bigger story' than cladding

Day 47: fire officer considered evacuating crews over building collapse fears

Day 46: 'we were improvising' senior firefighter admits

Day 45: firefighter urged for abandonment of 'stay put' policy

Day 44: firefighter recalls radio signal difficulties

Day 43: call hander 'uncomfortable' with insisting residents stay put

Day 42: residents only told to leave if they called fire brigade back

Day 41: breathing equipment delay 'hampered rescues on upper floors'

Day 40: chiefs told firefighters to abandon policy

Day 39: firefighters reveal dramatic rescue of children

Day 38: firefighters issue aplogies to families

Day 37: council 'unable to provide tower plans'

Day 36: QC defends inquiry process

Day 35: Javid would welcome interim recommendations

Day 34: water from hose 'too weak' to reach the flames

Day 33: 'oh my god, we've been telling people to stay put'

Day 32: further fire fighter describes lack of equipment and low water pressure

Day 31: 'incredibly difficult' task of recording information outlined

Day 30: struggle to maintain control over rescue operation described

Day 29: fire service 'overwhelmed' by survival guidance calls

Day 28: 'the building beat us'

Day 27: firefighters 'forced to abandon plans to reach roof'

Day 26: poor signage hindered rescue efforts

Day 25: water pressure left firefighting equipment 'like garden hose'

Day 24: decision to abandon 'stay put' explored

Day 23: TV images 'could have assissted' rescue effort

Day 22: description of hectic scenes in the control centre

Day 21: account from the fire service 'nerve centre'

Day 20: firefighter describes 'huge volume' of calls from trapped residents

Day 19: firefighter 'given no training on cladding fires'

Day 18: evacuation would have been 'huge catastrophe'

Day 17: firefighters describe access and lift issues

Day 16: scenes of carnage likened to 9/11

Day 15: firefighters recount trauma of survival guidance calls

Day 14: firefighters describe spread of blaze

Day 13: firefighters recall radio difficulties

Day 12: "it was like a war zone"

Day 11: questions raised over fire fighters' radios

Day 10: watch manager emotional under questioning

Day nine: lead firefighter 'not trained in stay put policy'

 

The expert reports: authors give evidence to inquiry

 

Day eight: where the fire started

Day seven: what was in the cladding?

Day six: the cause and spread of the fire

Day five: expert highlights key issues

Day four: firefighters defend response to fire

Day three: council and contractors appear for the first time

Day two: lawyers for the survivors make their case

Day one: expert evidence released on cladding and stay put

 

The commemoration hearings

 

30 May: Grenfell Council 'recognised it should not house disabled victim above four storeys'

29 May: Anger on day six of the Grenfell Inquiry

25 May: Grenfell families 'forced to live in chimney with stay put policy'

24 May: Grenfell family complained about father being housed on 17th floor

23 May: Tributes to children on third day of Grenfell hearings

22 May: Emotions run high as Grenfell bereaved shown footage of the tower burning

21 May: Grenfell victims share tributes as inquiry opens

 

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