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Grenfell Inquiry day 60: stay put advice ‘led to deaths’, residents say

Grenfell residents have criticised the fire service for giving “false hope” to those who died that they would be saved after being told to “head to the top floor” of the tower to be rescued.

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Key points

  • Residents believed helicopters would rescue them from the roof of the stricken tower, so headed upstairs

 

Giving evidence to the Grenfell Tower Inquiry, Farhad Neda, resident of flat 205 on the 23 floor of Grenfell tower, recalled how many living in the tower believed that helicopters were poised on the night of the fire to rescue them from the top of the building and headed upstairs on advice they received.

Mr Neda escaped the tower with his mother, but lost his father Saber Neda the night of the fire. Following his escape, he was taken to hospital suffering from smoke inhalation and other injuries, and placed in an induced coma for 1.5 days.

Mr Neda said he felt the fire service “fatally let down” the residents, who were led to believe on several occasions there were firefighters heading to the top of the tower to rescue them.

He said: “I feel that the residents were fatally let down. Having been in contact with the firefighters outside the tower, I was told on several occasions that they were on the way to get us. I feel that it is the false hope which prevented a number of people from escaping the tower that night.

“The image that we had, being in the tower, was that the building was swarming with firefighters – enough for everyone to have some assistance, not just people on the lower floors. I feel that if we had been told the truth… at least people would have had time to make the decision for themselves whether they could get out of the building.”

Describing events in the tower, Mr Neda said that after leaving his flat, shortly after smelling smoke, he met residents who were ascending the tower to upper floors on advice they had received.

He said: “I do not remember all the details, but it got to a point where we decided to leave our flat and we wanted to make our way down the stairs.

“We – me, my mum and my dad – got dressed again and we left the flat, locked our front door and we even went into the staircase. At that point, we saw people from downstairs coming up towards us. These people were our neighbours from lower floors.”

Asked who had given the advice to head to upper floors, Mr Neda said: “I thought it was the firefighters – she didn’t say. I believe one of the Iranian ladies kept on mentioning that they had been told that helicopters would come and rescue them from the top.

“I don’t know where she got the information from but that’s what she told us. They told us that there was no way out from the stairs.”

The fire eventually reached Mr Neda’s flat and with the bedroom window broken, the fire spread into the apartment.

“When she mentioned that they would be sending helicopters, my mum mentioned that there was no way for us to get onto the roof because it was locked.

“She [the neighbour] had spoken to someone on the phone before coming up – I don’t know who it was – and the fact that there were helicopters flying around outside the tower influenced that.

“They had told me they had reached a certain level. He said they weren’t sure what level the firefighters had reached, but assured us that the firefighters would be with us soon.

“I thought: ‘They are clearly thinking about us.’ I had no reason to disbelieve them. I thought to myself: ‘We don’t have enough time to wait for them.’”

Giving evidence in the afternoon, Mr Neda’s mother Flora Neda, who had lived in their flat since 1999, said that many people had told her that there was “no way” down Grenfell Tower that night.

Ms Neda said: “When they came up, I saw her. She came up with her sister and was using her walker as well. When I saw her, she came straight to us and she said: ‘There is a fire.’

“There’s a fire and they are coming to our flat. We wanted to come down and… she told me the firefighter told her to go up, the firefighter will rescue [us].

“She kept saying, asking, ‘Why the helicopter is not coming? They told us.’

In her written evidence, Ms Neda said two Iranian sisters, Sakina and Fatima, came towards her after coming up the stairs. She said: “Sakina told me that there was a fire and that she had been told to go upstairs by the fire brigade, as a helicopter was coming to rescue us.

“They came into our flat and she kept walking around, asking Saber and me, ‘When is the helicopter coming?’

“I told them that there was no access to the roof and that the door was locked. They again repeated, ‘They told us we have to go up.’

“Four people came into our flat to get away from the fire. They were an Egyptian mother and daughter, whom I knew from the floors below. I now know their names to be Eslah and Mariem Elgwahry.”

Ms Neda told how over time, the fire began getting closer to the floor, with smoke appearing from under her front door and filling her flat. Her escape, according to CCTV images of her son Farhad leaving the entrance to the tower, was timed at 2.24am.

Giving her final statement, Ms Neda said: “Those people who died in the night of the fire – the only cause of their death was the stay-put policy.

“If they hadn’t believed the fire brigade and the stay-put policy and hadn’t listened to them, I am sure they would be alive, including my husband.

“The fire brigade has to take responsibility for their mistakes. This mistake destroyed my life, my son’s life and also all the [lives of the] people in the Grenfell Tower… I am not saying [this] just for my husband. The mothers, children, brothers and sisters – when I remember them, I am not only standing [up] for my husband.

“They are not alive to give their voice; my voice should be for them as well. I am sure I couldn’t get my husband back or the family who lost their family as well, but at least they should change the policy [so that] it does not happen in future. If they stay with this policy I am sure nobody will trust them any more. I am sure it will cost more mistakes. I want justice.”

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry

Closing statements

 

Day 85: victims' lawyers attack the fire brigade

 

Further expert evidence

Including some additional evidence from emergency call handlers, bereaved and relatives

 

Day 84: further evidence from survivors and relatives

Day 83: swift evacuation of tower possible if residents alerted

Day 82: initial fire was extinguished but then returned to the flat

Day 81: overheating fridge-freezer most likely cause of fire

Day 80: fire doors installed did not match product tested

Day 79: resident advised to stay put despite fire in flat

Day 78: insulation and cladding material below required standard

Day 77: molten plastic spread blaze down tower

Day 76: 'stay put' should be dropped when fire spreads across floors

 

Other witness evidence

Police, ambulance, gas suppliers, council, TMO and call room operators give evidence

 

Day 75: call room operators give evidence

Day 74: further evidence from TMO officers

Day 73: TMO boss failed to pass information to firefighters

Day 72: fire finally extinguished when gas switched off

Day 71: further questions over stay put advice

Day 70: the police evidence

 

The bereaved, survivors and relatives’ evidence

 

Day 69: video shows smoke billowing through fire door

Day 68: KCTMO removed self closing mechanism and never replaced it

Day 67: gaps in cladding fixed with duct tape

Day 66: 'don't fix broken system with a sticking plaster'

Day 65: survivor dragged disabled man down nine floors to safety

Day 64: KCTMO 'did not replace broken fire door'

Day 63: foam insulation inside cladding 'exposed' says survivor

Day 62: father gives harrowing account of son's death

Day 61: council’s management organisation slammed for faulty electrics

Day 60: stay put advice ‘led to deaths’, residents say

Day 59: residents describe problems with new windows

Day 58: survivor describes how daughter saved his life

Day 57: firefighter evidence ‘a slap in the face’, says survivor

Day 56: relations with contractor were ‘toxic’

Day 55: resident 'never happy' with stay-put advice

Day 54: tenant gives evidence about housing association

Day 53: stay put advice 'felt like trap'

Day 52: resident saved by son's phone call

 

The firefighters’ evidence

 

Day 51: firefighter feared encouraging residents to jump

Day 50: the LFB commissioner

Day 49: fire chief reveals frustration over lack of building plans

Day 48: internal fire spread 'bigger story' than cladding

Day 47: fire officer considered evacuating crews over building collapse fears

Day 46: 'we were improvising' senior firefighter admits

Day 45: firefighter urged for abandonment of 'stay put' policy

Day 44: firefighter recalls radio signal difficulties

Day 43: call hander 'uncomfortable' with insisting residents stay put

Day 42: residents only told to leave if they called fire brigade back

Day 41: breathing equipment delay 'hampered rescues on upper floors'

Day 40: chiefs told firefighters to abandon policy

Day 39: firefighters reveal dramatic rescue of children

Day 38: firefighters issue aplogies to families

Day 37: council 'unable to provide tower plans'

Day 36: QC defends inquiry process

Day 35: Javid would welcome interim recommendations

Day 34: water from hose 'too weak' to reach the flames

Day 33: 'oh my god, we've been telling people to stay put'

Day 32: further fire fighter describes lack of equipment and low water pressure

Day 31: 'incredibly difficult' task of recording information outlined

Day 30: struggle to maintain control over rescue operation described

Day 29: fire service 'overwhelmed' by survival guidance calls

Day 28: 'the building beat us'

Day 27: firefighters 'forced to abandon plans to reach roof'

Day 26: poor signage hindered rescue efforts

Day 25: water pressure left firefighting equipment 'like garden hose'

Day 24: decision to abandon 'stay put' explored

Day 23: TV images 'could have assissted' rescue effort

Day 22: description of hectic scenes in the control centre

Day 21: account from the fire service 'nerve centre'

Day 20: firefighter describes 'huge volume' of calls from trapped residents

Day 19: firefighter 'given no training on cladding fires'

Day 18: evacuation would have been 'huge catastrophe'

Day 17: firefighters describe access and lift issues

Day 16: scenes of carnage likened to 9/11

Day 15: firefighters recount trauma of survival guidance calls

Day 14: firefighters describe spread of blaze

Day 13: firefighters recall radio difficulties

Day 12: "it was like a war zone"

Day 11: questions raised over fire fighters' radios

Day 10: watch manager emotional under questioning

Day nine: lead firefighter 'not trained in stay put policy'

 

The expert reports: authors give evidence to inquiry

 

Day eight: where the fire started

Day seven: what was in the cladding?

Day six: the cause and spread of the fire

Day five: expert highlights key issues

Day four: firefighters defend response to fire

Day three: council and contractors appear for the first time

Day two: lawyers for the survivors make their case

Day one: expert evidence released on cladding and stay put

 

The commemoration hearings

 

30 May: Grenfell Council 'recognised it should not house disabled victim above four storeys'

29 May: Anger on day six of the Grenfell Inquiry

25 May: Grenfell families 'forced to live in chimney with stay put policy'

24 May: Grenfell family complained about father being housed on 17th floor

23 May: Tributes to children on third day of Grenfell hearings

22 May: Emotions run high as Grenfell bereaved shown footage of the tower burning

21 May: Grenfell victims share tributes as inquiry opens

 

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